Nutjob Bills in the Montana Legislature

For your reading pleasure, here are some of the major pieces of legislation that have been put forward by the Tea Party Republicans who are now in control of the legislature.  This is not a joke. These are real bills, and they are currently taking priority in the Montana legislature.  Enjoy.

Welcome to the land of nutters, the Montana Legislature.

1.  Legalize hunting with hand-thrown spear (Senate Bill 112)

2.  Create fully-armed militia in every town (House Bill 278)

3.  Allow legislators to carry weapons in the Capitol (Senate Bill 279)

4.  Create an 11 person panel with authority to nullify all federal laws (House Bill 382)

5   Allow guns in schools (House Bill 558)

6.  Eliminate educational requirements for persons seeking job of State Superintendent of Schools (HB 154)

7.  Lift nuclear ban for purpose of building a nuclear reactor in the Flathead Valley (House Bill 326)

8.  Withdraw the United States of America from the United Nations (Senate Joint Resolution 2)

9.  Eliminate all state incentives for developing wind power (House Bill 244)

10. Omit Barack Obama’s name from the 2012, ballot because his father was born outside of America (House Bill 205)(this guy was on CNN this week)

11. Compulsory marriage counseling for people seeking a divorce (House Bill 438)

12. Give sheriffs authority over the federal government in terror investigations (Senate Bill 114)

13. Legalize hunting with silencers (House Bill 174)

14. Lift the prohibition on carrying concealed weapons in bars, churches and banks (House Bill 384)

15. Eliminate law that requires landlords to install carbon monoxide detectors (House Bill 354)

16. Require the federal government to prove in court that the National Parks were lawfully acquired. (House Bill 506)

17. Officially designate the “Code of the West” as the “Code of Montana” (Senate Bill 216)

UPDATE: 18.  Declare that global warming is good. (House Bill 549)

h/t RastaMon for this photo.


101 Comments on "Nutjob Bills in the Montana Legislature"

  1. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 17, 2011 7:26 AM at 7:26 AM |

    Ya know, what’s REALLY sad about all this is that I have yet to see any of our state dailies condemning this nonsense. As far as I’m concerned, that makes them complicit. It’s NOT ok to pretend that this is business as usual. It’s not. That’s what the German people did. The time to resist fascism is BEFORE it begins.

    Maybe there have been some editorials on this, but I haven’t seen them.

  2. Girl, I dunno. South Dakota‘s “Kill abortion providers” bill made at least as much news as the birther boffo.

  3. Yeah, they’re nuts alright. South Dakota made the news, too, ya know.

  4. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 17, 2011 9:03 AM at 9:03 AM |

    And p.s. Cowgirl, I gotta disagree on one point. I think that Really Windy Wendy’s Mlisha idea is great! Yep! I really, really do! That’s why I’m calling on Governor Schwietzer to appoint the very FIRST militia immediately after the bill passes! (or before!) Thas right. He can form the Crazy Horse Brigade!

    It will be made up of the Environmenal Rangers and all our Native American pals from the various warrior societies! WE’RE READY, WILLING, AND ABLE! We will have our own mounted cavlary too! And we need NO money from the state, ’cause we got our OWN guns! Lots of them actually. And since some of our members are Class III dealers, we can get ALL the goodies we need! Bazookas, rockets, explosives, whatEVER we need to “help out” should the need arise!

    And uniforms? Not a problem. Loin cloths in the summer, and buckskins and robes in the winter! WE’RE GOOD TO GO!

    And we’re available for photo ops too! We’ll gladly come down to Helena in full uniform and proudly stand by Schweitzer as he appoints the very first militia under Really Windy Wendy’s bill! The Crazy Horse Brigade!

    How bout it, guv? Ready to do your duty? We are! And ‘sides, the need could arise soon! Just ask Really Windy Wendy!

  5. For a feminist blog written by a feminist cowgirl, you sure don’t talk much about all the anti-choice bills that are up!

    • Hey Eeyore, great question. Every session, the same lobbyists like Jeff Lazloffy (who testified in support of the birther bill) Greg Trude, Harris Himes et al bring forth a slate of the exact same anti-choice bills. These are undoubtedly nutjobs! We’ll see the same thing brought up next session even with the legislature flips back to dem. As long as there is one nutjob R, these bills will be introduced, but I don’t recall seeing this level of crazy bills before. Do you?

  6. Eeyore must be a guy. That’s cool. We gals can fill you in that tons anti-choice crazy bills are up EVERY session, and so there is nothing unique this session in terms of those. Also, I believe they have all failed to pass. Cowgirl, do you know?

  7. Cowgirl, you forgot HB 549, the bill that says Montana thinks global warming is good, and that gw scientists are just anti-business poopyheads.

  8. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 17, 2011 12:17 PM at 12:17 PM |

    Cowgirl, I’ve got one above that’s been wating for moderation for hours. Can’t it be shown? I rather like it. Is there sumthin’ real wrong with it?

  9. Our legislature is being run by the Pizza Ranch Cowboys, so of course we have such wonderful legislation. We have Jimmy Crazy Fox Knox, Jim Hause Cartwrit Peterson, Wendy Warpath burton, and we have Mr. Florida Sunshine Skees and soooo many other colorful characters at the taxpayer funded circus. So come one come all bring grandma and the kids cause who gives a sh-t about them down to the Helena Circus.

  10. Pizza Ranch Legislature | February 17, 2011 1:46 PM at 1:46 PM |

    Rob-Thanks on 549! That’s a great one-the Montana Beach Front Propert Development Act!

  11. Pizza Ranch Legislature | February 17, 2011 2:02 PM at 2:02 PM |

    I meant “Property” typo. Sorry.

  12. We made again were almost as crazy as the Wisconsin Leg.

  13. You forgot the craziest one of the session:

    Republicans vote to close Montana Veterans Home in Columbia Falls

    On a party line vote, with all Republicans voting yes and all Democrats voting no, the Joint Health and Human Services Appropriations Subcommittee adopted an amendment by Senator Dave Lewis (R-Helena) to close the Montana Veterans Home in Columbia Falls and have the nursing home services for veterans provided by a private provider.

    The amendment to House Bill 2, the general appropriations bill that funds most state services, would require the state Department of Public Health and Human Services to do a request for proposal in 2013 for a private contractor to provide the nursing home services. Over $2 million a year was removed from the budget as a result of the amendment.

    Eric Feaver, president of MEA-MFT, the union that represents the 150 employees of the Montana Veterans Home, said, “This is outrageous. Veterans deserve high quality health care, and that is what is provided at Montana Veterans Home. The home is a five star health care facility because it provides appropriate staffing, excellent specialized services to those who need them, and dedicated, qualified, experienced staff. To diminish care for our veterans, especially now when the United States is waging two wars, is just plain wrong.”

    Feaver went on to say that the sponsor of the amendment, Senator Dave Lewis, pointed out in his comments that cost savings provided by the amendment would come through cuts in salaries and benefits. “I thought the Republicans were about creating jobs,” Feaver said. “This mean-spirited plan cuts jobs and cuts wages for working people. Do we want a race to the bottom in wages for working people? I don’t think so.”

    Republicans Senator Dave Lewis, Representative Don Roberts, Representative John Esp, Representative Tom Burnett, and Senator Jason Priest voted for the proposal to close the Veterans Home. Democrats Senator Mary Caferro, Representative Trudi Schmidt, and Representative Mary Caferro voted against it.

    • It costs $111,000 per resident per year at the veterans home. High wages and benefits. There is never enough money to satisfy Eric feaver.

      • Nice move Dave. Im sure there is no correlation between the level of care the veterans receive and the quality of staff that is employed at the home. Way to cement your legacy.

      • Dave, you can criticize Eric Feaver all you want…but I had him as a teacher…and he was quite possibly one of the finest teachers that I had in my 13 years of K-12, and my 8 years of college (under and graduate schools). It’s because of him that I know our Constitution, our Declaration of Independence and have the ability to speak publicly without sounding like an idiot.

        Mr. Feaver is defending our children and our elders…in some societies those would be deemed “those who cannot defend themselves”…to me, that makes him a hero. Veterans protected this country…are you saying that $111,000 a year is too much to spend on a man who, as an 18 year old (or younger), jumped out of a plane into the dark of Normandy? Or waded off of a transport onto Omaha Beach or Okinawa? It’s the volunteer status of our military that makes us great…we don’t indenture our citizens into serving…they WANT to serve.

        Let’s continue to protect our children, our elders, our veterans and those “less fortunate” than the rich (that means middle class as well as the poor…aka ME!) who deign to take our life, liberty and pursuit of happiness right out from under us.

        Our Constitution itself deems this a nation where “all men are created equal”…there is nothing in it about rich men being more equal than poor…although slaves were considered to be lesser. Let’s stop reacting with knee-jerks and start reacting with our BRAINS…before our schools are cut so badly that people can’t spell C-A-T!

    • This is horribly wrong. These men and women risked life and limb for this country and this state and we want to cut off our support for them? I hope the person who suggested this is hung out to dry by his constituents very soon–and that every vet in his county knows where he lives.

  14. Thanks Lynn! This is incredible.

  15. Lt. Col (Ret, Army) Richard Liebert | February 17, 2011 11:15 PM at 11:15 PM |

    TOTAL BS and intolerable and unwarranted ATTACK on our Veterans, and Tea Party/GOP should be ASHAMED, really now. Also, a real
    ‘gem’ is Mr. Joe Read’s HB549 declaring ‘global warming’ GOOD for Montana!? Really Joe, what’s good about dwindling snowpack, early melts, pine beetles, hotter than ever summers and volatile
    and chaotic weather patterns – and that’s just MONTANA. This
    legislator – when interviewed by national media – said he didn’t gather ANY climate research and this guy is just ‘winging’ it, and that fits – Wingnuts are rocking it in Helena, so I hope
    he’s the ‘Star Attraction’ at the Clean Air and Water Rally next Monday at the Capitol, 11AM-1PM ,and those who want to keep Clean and Healthy in your Constitution do please attend, and ALL call
    to STOP the embarrassment to Montana by OPPOSING HB549, 444-4800 and your message will go to Mr. Read, committee and legislators
    of your choice and you can leave message, preferably short, coherent and pithy.

    • Col. Liebert, Thank you for your service to America. You veterens make me proud to be an American and Im ashamed with how my state legislature is treating you guys. I thank all veterens for their service.

  16. After the session is over, I hope someone tallies the cost of this nonsense to the people of Montana. Factoring in the senatorial and representative time in hearings,floor debates; and the cost of staff and supplies to print, distribute and communicate with constituents. And other costs. It must be into the high 6 figures or more.

  17. This kind of agenda should really alarm everyone. It scares the Hell out of me to see the actual priorities this new kind of politician had. It also scares me that they are so bloody stupid. They seem to be as dumb as a sack of hair and they are proud of it. Starting at the Federal level, these Republican-Tea Pariers professed their love of Country and Constitution. Now they want to repeal much of the Constitution and ruin the country by cutting every program, paid for by our tax dollars, that provides any help to the working people of this country. They have no clue about the consequences of their actions. They haven’t even looked at what will happen or who would be hurt by these slash and burn policies and all the moronic gun laws and laws against the citizens of this country. They promised us during their campaigns that there would be more jobs, more transparancey, more listening to the people, and a better economy. All they are giving us is a totalitarian regime. They want all the power all the time. They need to destroy the Democrats and Democratic party so they can have free run of this country without any pesky opposition. If that means screwing all the people of the states on the way, then in the words of our great Speaker of the House, John Boehner,”So be it”.

  18. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 18, 2011 5:22 AM at 5:22 AM |

    JUMPIN’ JAYSUS! Not I-137 too! I see in the GF Spitoon this a.m. an editorial by the Shammels that there is a proposed bill to UNDO I-137, the initiative passed by the people of Montana to outlaw heapleach goldmining. And apparently there’s a hearing TODAY! Well, thanks for the early notification, Spitoon! I have to work and can’t make it, but I view this as a declaration of war on the people of Montana and our environment!

    We are NOT a third world country! These aholes are playing with fire this time! They just might get more than they bargained for! SB 306 would allow NEW mines to be developed as long as the ore was processed at an existing mine! Well, just TRY that and see what happens!

    These people are insane. I didn’t really believe that they’d actually f*ck with I-137. Time to take the gloves off. I personally can’t wait! It’s what the Rangers do best! If they want a war, bring it on!

  19. Did any of these nut jobs mention doing any of this when they were campaigning….it was all JOBS JOBS JOBS in Montana. Nationally it was jobs. But they get in office and try to do anything but.

  20. I think the spear hunting photo would be much better if someone photoshopped the head of Senator Greg Hinkle on it. He is the nut case who submitted this legislation.

  21. I’m concerned about the spear hunting bill. I’m new to Montana so I’m sorry if I say something dumb. But I am wondering if the spear hunting bill has any mention of atlatl’s? Do the sponsors of this bill know that a person using an atlatl can throw their spear further and with more force than a person who doesn’t use one? If I’m out hunting for big game and have been tracking a buffalo or mammoth for hours or even days, and then suddenly a spear comes out of the blue and kills my prey, what are my rights? Just because some rich guy with an atlatl kills my rightful prey after all the work I put into tracking it, doesn’t give him the right to claim my prey. I think there should be a provision that if you are going to use an atlalt to spear hunt with you should have to have a state issued permit for that atlalt. Also the length of atlatl’s should be regulated as the size can make a big difference in a hunters ability to project his spear. There should also be a strong penalty for illegally hunting without that permit. This sounds fair and reasonable doesn’t it?

    • That atlatl contingent is looney. I knew “Aglatl Bob” way back in ’84, lived next door to him. His roomies kicked him out and got a restraining order for him…he showed up one day armed. We used to call him “Marine Bob”. In ’95, I went to Pony during their alternative living fair and ran into him…he was all important now, and had some requisite babe with him. I said…”yo, Bob, I remember you from (Bozeman address)…”. Man, he gave me a menacing look…guess I was blowin’ his cover. Scary guy, Atlatl Bob.

  22. Oi vey. Where is the bill requiring legislators to undergo intelligence and sanity tests before running for office! I am quite sure we have hit a new low in Helena this year.

  23. I wonder how the right feels about this circus…I would bet many feel duped or maybe better expressed as truly conned. Think of the yelled promises about jobs, spending, deficit reduction that were nothing but excuses to get into power to pass morality legislation and get rid of jobs, raise taxes and create more government. While I don’t agree whatsoever with the agendized right – if I was one, I’d be freaking pissed at being used so absolutely and blatantly. That was a pretty clear mandate if there was one – even if it had to wear a tinfoil hat.

    And that’s what I can’t figure out – where’s that extreme backlash from the right? You know – the screaming at health care meetings and misspelling angry words on signs kinda backlash? Or are they only capable of being pissed about supposed grievances not based in reality like death squads and our dear commie overlord (or is he a fascist now – so hard to keep up with these things)? I see a little in the IR (for the few items they really cover versus just mention) but little more. Maybe its that they don’t know that they’ve sorta been used yet?

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 18, 2011 11:31 AM at 11:31 AM |

      Wonder how many of these nincompoops the Insufficient Record actually ENDORSED?! You see, if you endorse’em, you OWN’em! So they must now jusitfy this nonsense! But I see none of that. I know that most dailies endorsed Dopey Reeburp. Yet I have yet to see any of them call him on his bullsh*t. ie. Advocating attacks on judges!

      If the dailies canNOT even condemn the outrageous nonsense going on in Helena, what the hell GOOD are they? Nuthin’ I’d say. They may just as well admit that they’re gettin’ their paychecks from the Big Kochs! It USED to be the copper collar, but now it’s the Koch Collar! Same old thing just a new name!

  24. In Wisconsin just now Democrats in the State Senate left the state to prevent a quarm on a budget vote to bust the public employees union. Will Montana Democrats have to do the same thing?

  25. Monday is Citizen’s Day ay the Capitol:

    What are you doing on President’s day? If you have been following the
    actions of our newly elected, Tea Party dominated state legislature
    (who are targeting wolves, abortion, health care, and gun laws in
    their radical agenda) with dismay, grab a friend or two and head to
    Helena. It will be well worth the trip. There are TWO exciting events
    going on that day, and if we all show up, we can make a real

    Don’t stay home and wring your hands. Go to Helena and speak up!

    First, there is a HUGE RALLY called planned on the North lawn of the
    Capitol Building.

    At 11 am there will be MUSIC by Greg Keeler and others.

    At 11:30 there will be a welcome and Rally.

    At noon speeches are scheduled.

    Free coffee and hot chocolate will be available for those who bring
    a re-usable mug. Carpooling and busing options may be available by
    calling Northern Plains Resource Council at (406)248-1154.

    Second, there is a day-long event sponsored by Montana Organizing
    Project, which sponsored the great rally last month. This event is
    called CITIZEN’S DAY AT THE CAPITOL. It focuses on meeting with your
    legislator and learning about the current legislative session. To
    register for this event, go to the following link:

    Here is the Agenda:

    8:30 AM Orientation
    · 9:00 AM Training Session

    o How the legislature works

    o How to talk with your legislator

    o Briefing:

    Montana’s Stories – the things we hold dear.
    The State of the State Budget
    Health Care Reform & Montana

    · 10:00 AM Choose Your Own Adventure

    o Hearings

    o Small groups meet with legislators

    · Noon Brown Bag Luncheon & Round table Discussion

    o Key legislators invited – Governor Schweitzer invited

    · 1:00 PM Choose Your Own Adventure

    o Senate and House Convene on the Floor

    o Small groups meet with legislators


    · 2:30 PM Reflection and Wrap Up

    · 3:00 PM Choose Your Own Adventure

  26. Hey Montana, sorry but you people let these TEA partiers get elected. I don’t know how you did it, but you have only yourselves to blame. From what I hear of the state, these are exactly the kind of people you all elect on a regular bases. What about your previous Governor, the lapdog of industry. You get what you vote for.

  27. Oy vey! Our choices are these borderline lunatics, or Democrats. One side is crazy, the other asleep.

  28. This is embarrassing. We here in Utah have always had the corner on legislative nut jobs. We’re slipping.

  29. Lt. Col (Ret, Army) Richard Liebert | February 18, 2011 11:12 PM at 11:12 PM |

    Friends, the GOP leadership has failed to follow the ‘Cowboy Code’ and tossed the advance notices so the public can attend or
    respond to hearings, and that’s NOT being fair at all. The massive amount of frivolous bills was forseen but there was a failure to perform backward-planning, but instead we’ve seen BACKWARD thinking. For example, HB583 introduced at 5:45AM and then a hearing a 7AM on it!!! Really, is that respect to the public, the ‘Vox Populi’, and does that help transparency? All
    I see, read and hear is a lot of ‘flag-waving’ rhetoric and I suggest a JOB COUNTER for both parties fixed on the walls of both
    chambers to SHOW each bill’s job creating potential, or job destroyer potential, like cutting health care in small rural communities (that were duped in voting Tea Party), where a daughter will be shocked that the nurse that cares for her mother in a remote nursing facility got her job WHACKED in Helena when health services CUT to fulfill a political promise, not really based on fiscal reality. Now, we’ve got a daughter who will have
    to QUIT her job to care for her mother, a nurse who lost her job
    and now using her fine skills God knows where….what drive two hundred miles to Billings, and cause more family disruption? Is that what the TP has in mind?

  30. I hope your blogging host is robust, Cowgirl, because Markos Moulitsas (Daily Kos) just tweeted this post.

  31. Since I don’t know what that means, I think that the answer is “no”. Uh-oh. But if it takes this little site crashing to get the word out about what the TEA Party Republicans are doing to Montana, so be it.

  32. Cowgirl, I just got here off Kos’ tweet. Great post! Any chance you’d share that pic of the donkey handing the elephant his ass? I’m in Ohio and we’re in deep shit too. Get out the vote 2012 and get the country out of R – Reverse.

  33. Oh, and Cowgirl: I just posted this on my Facebook page. :-)

  34. Thanks, CG! Got the pic. Labeled Election 2012. ;-)

  35. Hey Montana If there were a contest for pointless and moronic legislation, you folks would have us in Tennessee beat by a mile. My favorite one here is legalize hunting with silencers. This is just a way to allow every redneck to own a silencer so he can shoot his wife in private. Also, I could be wrong, but doesn’t this violate a federal law. Perhaps these bubba’s doing give a hoot.

  36. Marilou Turrentine | February 19, 2011 2:21 PM at 2:21 PM |

    #19. No elected representative of Montana shall have an IQ greater then 65.

  37. You get what you vote for, Montana, what you vote for.

  38. #20 – You must dress up in a Col. Sanders costume to participate in the Montana Legislature, whether or not it is Halloween.

  39. Hey MT, You really went off the deep end again this year. Unibomber be damned. This state is still full of wackos, but why did you have to put them in office?

    • ‘Scuse me, cupcake, but most of the folk around here worked to keep these “wackos” *out* of office. Do try and keep that in mind.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 19, 2011 3:39 PM at 3:39 PM |

      You must be thinking of Wyoming or Idaho. Our history is FAR different than this current aberration. Think Butte and Unions and Wobblies. That’d be us, NOT these Teankerbell Partiers.

  40. How did a state that elected Mike Mansfield and Brian Schweitzer elect these wanks?

  41. Okay, #17 comes from a Droopy Dog cartoon. I’m just sayin’.

  42. While we have a veritable flood of wacko legislation coming out of the extremist right wing fringe that seems to have taken over the house, the descriptions of the bills here are in a number cases entirely dishonest here. This is exactly the same tactic the right uses to provoke knee jerk reactions and outrage in their core support groups. # 2, 3, 5, 9, and 12 are examples of this……. I didn’t have a time to read all the bills, but these examples are enough to destroy the credibility of this author in my book. No purpose is served by descending to the same level as the right wing wackos. The lesson here is TRUST NO ONE. Simply being of like persuasion does not grant credibility to the writings of someone. Any comments by this writer will henceforth be regarded as suspect, just as so called “news” from Fox. You’ve succeeded in earning my contempt!!


    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 20, 2011 9:25 AM at 9:25 AM |

      Ooo boy! Care to eloborate just a bit on the merits of the bills that you think have been wrongly described, Howie old boy? I’m thinkin’ that you’re correct on one point though. After reading your post, I think I can actually SEE the “knee jerks” that you refer to! Help me out, Howie. Convince me that the bills you mentioned are actually good!

    • Howard here must have gotten the James Knox Memo. You folks see this? Knox sends out a TEA Party Alert to all his buddies that called for action against us.

      ———- Forwarded message ———-
      From: Rep. James Knox
      Date: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:10 PM
      Subject: We need help and this can be fun!!!
      To: “Rep. James Knox”

      To all Freedom Fighters:
      The conservative message is being beaten up on the blogs and the general media. This is really nothing new but some of us believe you and your members can really make a difference. This is what we are asking:
      1. Put the real message on as many blogs as possible. Either write from the messages sent out or directly from the bill but get our word out as much as possible.

      2. Challenge the paid mouthpieces that are on the blogs, don’t take their insults personal but do repeat the message, speak the truth.

      3. Email and call in as much as possible to all the Representatives and Senators while in session.

      4. Follow up with words, emails or messages of thanks and continued encouragement when those legislators do the right thing!!!!

      5. Call into local talk shows or national ones as much as possible and speak up the good work we are doing for you.

      6. Write, do not email but write letters (they can be faxed too) and send them to the Governor. Remind him he can VETO but the results will be held to his record not ours. We all know he has aspirations for a political future, let him know you cannot support him if he will not support bills that Montana’s need.

      See we can make a difference. We can have a louder voice if you chose to spend a few minutes commenting on each blogged issue. Watch your local paper online or several since they often carry the same story and copy and paste the same message in each blog.

      For freedom’s sake!!!

      Thank you,

      Rep. James Knox

      [Knox’s personal phone number removed from the comment. Please, let’s not post other people’s personal phone numbers online, Cowgirl]
      “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible” – George Washington

      • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 20, 2011 1:50 PM at 1:50 PM |

        BRING IT ON, you Round Mound of Knoxious Pounds! Methinks that too many Big Macs have gone to your brain, dude. You’re followers are freakin’ MORONS who would get eatin’ ALIVE on this blog faster than a fatass like you could scarf down a Big Mac!

        And, Jumbo Jimmy, we can govern ourselves just FINE withou your rightwing, heretical view of god, fatboy!

  43. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 20, 2011 3:34 PM at 3:34 PM |

    p.s. Do I detect a note of desperation in Jumbo Jimmy’s missive? MeTHINKS that the wackos have been found out! So sorry, Jumbo, but things ain’t EVER gonna be the same for the Teankerbell Party! Given enough rope, you dumb b*astards HUNG yourselves! You thought Montana went completely wacko, but in reality, it was just YOU and your fundiwackmentalist moronic racist pals! You’re done, dufus! Next election, we’ll be whizzin’ in your tea!………..AND ENJOYIN’ IT! And Jumbo, that IS the TRVTH!

  44. Larry Kralj, wrote:
    Ooo boy! Care to eloborate just a bit on the merits of the bills that you think have been wrongly described, Howie old boy? I’m thinkin’ that you’re correct on one point though. After reading your post, I think I can actually SEE the “knee jerks” that you refer to! Help me out, Howie. Convince me that the bills you mentioned are actually good!


    I am NOT defending any of the bills, but rather expressing my disgust at the fact that dishonest representations of what the actually are are being used to describe them.

    For example, one bill is described thus: “Eliminate all state incentives for developing wind power” I took time to actually read it…. which apparently many people did NOT…. and found that it does nothing of the sort. I do not support this bill after reading it, but the description is completely deceptive.

    Another bill is described as: “Allow guns in schools” Again the wording of the description is intended to inflame the reader, when in fact it is designed to make provision for students with approval to bring fire arms specifically for shooting competetions, under a strictly regulated and supervised program in locked containers. This is far from what the description would have you believe, and it is not without merit.

    Another bill is described as: “Give sheriffs authority over the federal government in terror investigations” It in fact does nothing of the sort, but rather encourages cooperation between local and federal authorities, rather than feds acting like loose cannons and operating without liaison with the locals.

    …………… I encourage everybody to read these bills and found your objections on a basis of being INFORMED, rather than reading false and / or misleading descriptions. The creditability of opposition is severely compromised when ignorance is involved, and this author is promoting ignorant opposition to these bills, rather than informed opposition. This is exactly what the so called “Tea Party” does…. I have friends involved in it, so I hear their garbage all the time. Two forces animated by mindless ignorance and distortions screaming slogans is absurd and silly!

    READ THE DAMN BILLS……… pick the battles that are worth fighting, and do it from a position of the informed citizen, not the knee jerk follower ……. the “dittohead” as we are fond of calling Rush’s followers!! We have to be more intelligent and informed or we are no better than they are.


    • If Im not mistaken the nutjob Sheriff’s first bill as originally introduced did in fact ‘require’ the federal govt to get the permission of local Sheriff Jim Bob in Sanders County before doing anything within the County. Unless Im mistaken its now been amended to ‘encourage’ co-operation…presumably enough main street Republicans with IQs above room temp were around in the committee that day. You might be right about the others you mention being described with a little hyperbole.

  45. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 20, 2011 4:44 PM at 4:44 PM |

    Um, Howie, I’m gonna take a SWAG here, (scientific wild ass guess), and say that the opponents of these bills actually HAVE read the bills that you mention, and find them to be NUCKIN’ FUTS! My guess further would be that you attribute to the readers of this forum something that they absolutely are not, illinformed! Nice attempted dodge. Now, do you have something to say other than flatulence? Jus wondering.

  46. Larry:
    If as you say, people actually HAVE read these bills, then apparently deceptive and dishonest descriptions …. dishonesty that is to say…. does not bother them at all! That being the case, I would hesitate not at all to lump them in the same class as the Tea Party, the only difference being opposite persuasion. Again, I am far from defending this stuff, but I intensely dislike deception and dishonesty in this arena no matter which quarter it originates from. I’m sorry I bothered to comment at all on this….. It’s very clear that this is not a group of people I care to associate with if your attitude is representative of it. I have nothing further to say on this forum at this point. If people aren’t bright enough to see why this works against our own interests then I’m wasting time and words. (I won’t be back)


  47. If “Howard” is “far from defending this stuff” I’ll eat my hat. Hell, I’ll eat his too.

  48. Missed some: HB 161, 321, 381 “nullifying” federal laws that they don’t like.

    LC 1511. Amending the US constitution to permit 2/3s of the states to repeal federal law.

    HB 381. Criminalizing the enforcement of federal gun legislation.

    HB 506 also takes back the national parks and other federal lands.

    SB 117, establishing county and city “coordination rights.”

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 21, 2011 6:31 PM at 6:31 PM |

      This has the Big Koch written all OVER it! It’s pure Bircher Bullshit. But lest we forget, Dopey Reeburp’s their boy. We can expect an unprecedented hate campaign against Tester. With Citizen’s United, all bets are off. We must prepare now by laying the groundwork and exposing Dopey and the Big Kochs for what they are. BIRCHERS! It’s gonna be ugly. You can bet on it. And really, Dopey is as SLEAZY as they come. He’ll be wallowin’ in it! It’ll be hard to even follow the money when the Kocks onwn five Supreme Court members.

  49. Hey Cowgirl, how many of these bills did you actually read? At least a couple are not at all what you describe.

    In particular, HB205 has literally nothing about Obama or his parentage. It’s certainly a birther reaction, but it’s not at all what you are presenting and would, in no way, prevent Obama from being on the ballot, unless he chooses not to give the state the necessary information. HB558 only allows students to have guns locked in cases and only if using them for instructional purposes. It certainly doesn’t allow kids to run around with loaded guns and certainly couldn’t curtail any potential violence. SJR2 is just the Senate writing a letter to the US Congress. Nothing will come of it. HB438 only requires counseling for couples with minor children and not when abuse or abandonment is part of it. SB114 requires federal law enforcement agents to communicate with local law enforcement agents that they’re coming and only if it won’t interfere with their duties. It does not mention terrorism at all. HB384 doesn’t mention anything about churches. SB216 is just creating a state official code. It’s no different than a state bird or dish or whatever and is not something to be enforced (and is a very positive code, in my opinion). HB549 simply states that Montana believes that a warmer climate would be good for its economy. You should be happy that they agree that global warming exists.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 23, 2011 1:17 PM at 1:17 PM |

      Too funny. Beeny, your “argument” reminds me of the old joke. Guy sees sumthin’ lay in the road. He bends down and says, “Hmm. Looks like dogsh*t. Smells like dog sh*t. Tastes like dogsh*t. Glad I didn’t STEP in it”!

      Sorry, Beany, but we DON’T need to taste it, dufus! These bills are nutty, racist, militia, wacko SH*T! No matter HOW many times a guy examines it, no matter HOW many times he reads it, no matter HOW many dumb arguments like yours are for it, it’s still SH*T! And we just prefer not to step in it! You inbreds obviously have! Hope this helps. BTW, where you from, inbred? And how long you been in the militia?

      • So basically, you admit that you haven’t read any of the bills and just take Cowgirl’s post at face value? Good to know that I can ignore your posts.

        • @ Larry re Ben;
          He might be in the militia Larry, but I’ll wager dollars to donuts Ben has never served in our U.S. armed forces.

  50. Governor, We need you now…

    Once again we are reminded of a phrase that no doubt originated with the Republican controlled Legislature of the 1990’s…”Thank God they only meet every (2) years.”

    The Republican majority in 2011 is confused. They think that they were elected for their Ideology.
    The fact is that they were elected because they were the only Other choice in a two-party system.
    The Democrat Party at the National level was not delivering on Change and more importantly was not fixing the Economy and pulling America out of the “Great Recession”.
    Montana voters were feeling the pain.

    To be blunt, the voters would have elected a well-trained monkey, If it were dressed appropriately and running as any party other than a Democrat.

    Now, rather than creating Jobs as they were elected to do, Republicans are once again working against the interests of the people of Montana. In a blatant defiance of the will of the voters, Republicans are pushing HB161, to repeal the Montana Marijuana Initiative. HB309 attacks Montana’s established stream access laws after wealthy landowners lost the Mitchell Slough access case. HB334 works to weaken Montana’s workers compensation system by decreasing the fund and its ability to meet current and future obligations. Again, in defiance of Montana voters, HB404 and HB418 are efforts to remove Legislative term limits. The House has bills in play to “back transactions of state business with gold & silver coin”; reminiscent of the current debacle of attempted Union Busting in Wisconsin – HB197 to change state employee retirement plans, and HB310 “ to clarify initiatives language”. And don’t laugh, there is even SB112 to enshrine spear hunting for big game. I did not know that you cannot sit in a tree and jump out on a bear with a pointy stick!, if that’s how you get your kicks. In 2011, there is no shortage of Legislative efforts that should be relegated to the round file.

    Governor Schweitzer, we the people need you to represent the interests of Montanan’s by standing ready to and by exercising your Veto power on these and other frivolous efforts of the Republican lead 2011 Legislature.
    Montana should remain a beacon of Democracy for America and not become a poster child for Fascist leaning ideology.

  51. Voters all over America stayed home for the last election. Montana’s situation is not unique. Nor the overstepping of brandnew wingnuts in state legislatures and governer’s mansions. accross the nation.

    They are encountering resistence, but there’s going to be a lot of uneeded pain in the country over the next year plus.

    Really a nuc in Flathead Vally is considered desireable?Any thought of using the Yellow Stone Hot Spot to produce power? It is an awesome and admittedly dangerous energy source.

    A new poster at media matters put the site’s address. I’ll put up a link over there.

    Youall seem to be a good group and the trolls seem familiar as well.

    A native of Libby way back when.

  52. You guys think Montana is bad? In Oklahoma, we’ve got you beat by a mile. We have banned Sharia Law (and that was a State Question, on the ballot!), we’re about to allow guns on college campuses, open carry is quite likely to pass, one state legislator, Sally Kern (we call her silly sally) declared that homosexuality is a bigger danger to the U.S. than terrorists, more anti-choice bills than I can even remember, and we have the two most embarrassing members of the entire U.S. Senate – Jim (“Global Warming is a Hoax”) Inhofe, and Tom Coburn. At least you guys have a governor who will veto this kind of crap. Mary Fallin is just waiting for the bills to hit her desk so she can sign them!

    • Funny, I didn’t realize that this was a competitive race to the bottom …

      • When you’re dealing with an poorly informed population, kept that way with mean spirited, misleading soundbite politics, it isn’t so much a race as a free fall…

    • Wow Oklahoma, sounds like your legislators may be speaking with ours. Sorry to hear that about your Governor. I don’t know what we’d do without ours!

      • In the last election we went from D’s in every statewide office to R’s in every statewide office. The new Attorney General has never even set foot in a courtroom, and campaigned on setting up an office specifically to fight the federal government when they “encroach on State’s rights.” Both houses of the legislature have veto-proof Republican majorities, but as I said, it doesn’t matter, since the Governor is with them every step of the way. Moving to Massachusetts is looking better and better every day…

  53. So how about we start recall campaigns against the worst of the bunch or better yet, the whole lot of them.

  54. Can we get HB 544 up there- this has been transmitted to the Senate!! Rep Moore (Gallatin Gateway) is hijacking Row v. Wade to give doctors the decision in abortions, women in MT should be terrified of this bill.

  55. Regarding Rep. James Knox’s quote from George Washington, he also said, “I beg you be persuaded that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.“

    [George Washington, to United Baptists Churches of Virginia, May, 1789]

  56. What legislators might submit my bill?

    I want a bill in Montana to deregulate the growing of dental floss, and a tax exemption for pygmy ponies and zircon-encrusted tweezers.

  57. I’ve come to believe our politicians are in cahoots. The Republicans are filing foolish bills when they have control. The Democrats were just too apathetic to do anything at all…

  58. Actually, what usually happens is the Repubs usually have a large enough minority to screw everything up. IE the Us Senate the last 2 years. They filibustered over 400 good bills out of the Congress, not that our media would ever tell the public that. They did everything and more that the Wisconsin 14 are being accused of in the media now. They would not debate bills they just filibustered any discussion so they died. Then about 10 of are Democractic are Corporate owned

  59. Has anyone asked that idiot Welborn what the hell he is thinking with the hb 309? Does he want to get escorted out of the state?

  60. I have no clue what Dillion was thinking when they voted for him

    he did not reply to the Vote Mt questionaire, no info on his postions
    its his 2nd term

    Here’s his Face book page

  61. What about the Montana GOP trying to make homosexuality illegal!? That’s just utter nonsense. To each their own!

  62. I would like to also include SB 253 which takes away all tax credits to alternative energy, biodiesel, historical preservation projects, and the film production credit. By all means lets get rid of any new industries that might fuel the future. This will bring us all back to the dark ages and allows us to turn the clock back and embrace the oil policy which has been so successful for our nation. My god these neanderthals really cannot see past their own tiny pocketbook interests of today. Regardless if a tax credit is a net positive for the taxpayers we must remove them to satisfy our myopic view and our ideology.

  63. Is it bad that three of these I don’t see as being obviously nuts? Numbers one 6 and 9 aren’t necessarily nutty to me.

    I know many hunters who will only use wooden bows to hunt because they like the challenge. I guess hand thrown spear would be along the same lines.

    Regarding number 6, I’ve had to fire many degree holders for incompetency while retaining people who didn’t have degrees but could do the job. Experience usually trumps degrees. So to me this isn’t all that crazy.

    For number 9, I love wind power and want to encourage it but I don’t think it is unreasonable for the state government to look into eliminating state incentives for it. I wouldn’t like it but there is a legitimate consideration for reducing spending there.

  64. First of all, half of these “bills” are not legal as long as the state is part of the US. It’s that simple. Second, if this is what the people are actually wanting then they need to be forced to go to school for longer than three years and they should also have to take tests that require a little more than breaking down a high caliber rifle. Return to the Wild West…are you serious? Sorry folks (politicians included) shit is a little different than back around 1865. The world is much smaller and the idea of attempting to be isolationists doesn’t fly any more. Sure, you can hide in the wilderness out there for the most part, but do you ever go to town for things like ammo, gas, batteries and other stuff often used in modern day survival? Guess what? That comes from other places! Global Warming is a good thing? If it continues, yours glacial lakes will get too warm and every trout and many other fish species wont be able to survive in the warmer water. Your spruce trees and other high altitude trees wont be around much longer either. Read a F*CKING Book or two before you try and vote for stupd SH*T like this again.

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