War on Jesus

 Jesus jumps into the Montana Senate Race

Amid the worst recession in 50 years and with unemployment at record levels, Montana GOP congressman Denny Rehberg is focusing on what matters: a statue of Jesus.

For the last three weeks, Rehberg, who is challenging Jon Tester for a Senate seat, has been entirely consumed with a small statue of our savior that sits next to a ski slope at the Big Mountain Ski resort in Whitefish, MT. Rehberg began with a press release, followed by a blitz of national TV appearances, including one on Fox and Friends. He then put up a Save the Jesus Statue website (the site was constructed with his congressional office funds, by the way). Then he went on a whirlwind Save Jesus tour with an email action alert about a rally and a “DRAFT legislative solution”  and robo-calls to thousands of Montana voters, telling them that he is working hard to save Jesus and urging them to support him in this important work. (You can hear the robo call from Rehberg here: Rehberg Robo-call). Finally, he spent Veterans Day meeting with veterans to tell them their support for him (Rehberg) in this important cause is crucial.  Other Republicans this week held an “Occupy Whitefish to Save the Jesus Statue.”

So from here on out, it’s going to be all Jesus, all the time.  Why?

The statue was erected on a piece of National Forest land in the 1950s and the permit has now come up for renewal. The Forest Service was notified by some silly group from Wisconsin that if it renewed the permit, it would be in violation of the establishment clause.  And so the agency said it might consider moving the statue a few feet onto private land. That’s an outrage, says Rehberg.

At first I had thought maybe Rehberg had seen an opportunity to make inroads among persuadable churchgoing voters.

But I now realize that all of this Jesus stuff is being aimed at Tester for his strength: support from veterans.  The statue was constructed 50 years ago by World War II veterans, as a memorial, an homage to a similar statue that these vets had seen in Italy during their tour of duty.

And Jon Tester’s star is very high among veterans, and has been so ever since he took office in 2007 and immediately made vets a centerpiece of his domestic policy.  He focuses not on statues, but on services–health care for veterans, jobs for veterans, loans for veterans, things that matter. Veterans like Tester, a lot.

Naturally, Montana Republicans (who after two decades of dominance have been virtually eradicated as statewide officeholders, thanks to Schweitzer, Tester and a resurgent Democratic party) believe that the veteran vote is a GOP birthright that can never be taken from them.  And now that Tester has taken it from them, Rehberg had decided to pander to vets. He is has taken up a meaningless issue, trying to seem as if he is fighting a battle for their statue, when in fact the statue never stood any chance of being moved.

Tester also believes the statue should remain unmolested.  But after making his opinion known, he moved on to doing real work on things that matter, because he understands (unlike Rehberg who is a man-child) that if you are in Congress, you should be acting like an adult.

And so Tester is in the news this weekend, for example, fighting for a bill that would help decrease unemployment among veterans by offering tax credits to businesses who employ them.  He is fighting for soldiers who fought foreign wars, while the dunce Rehberg is looking for credit for fighting a fictitious War on Jesus.

As between nonsensical pandering and real results, I suspect veterans will see the difference.

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83 Comments on "War on Jesus"

  1. I respect our men and women in uniform, and all of our veterans. But certainly we have our policies mixed up. Provide great healthcare and support for our veterans, but they can’t continue to be a class of american politicians pretend to support with money and legislation to get votes.

    The best way to support our men and women in uniform is to bring them home- and not send them to their deaths in unconstitutional wars. Not moving them from Iraq to Kuwait, not sending them into Libya, not sending them into Iran, not keeping them in Afghanistan, just bring the troops home.

    And while we’re at it, let’s not spend $330,000,000 on weight-loss surgery for soldiers’ wives. A little PT would help instead.

    peace out

    sleepy Westy

    • speaking of national politics, Tester should presumably be cooking up an end game to this Jesus stupidity, in which he rides in on a white horse and solves it. Why? The Forest Service chief is Obama’s guy, an appointee. So we should assume that he, as part of obama’s very savvy political team, thought this through, knew rehberg would make a giant cause out of it, and also saw a way for tester to get obama to allow him to broker the final solution and allow jesus to stay put.

      oh wait, there’s a speculative premise in that paragraph.

  2. There are a lot of things done in the name of Christianity in the church that Jesus Christ a jew would disavow. “There’s fake Christianity, there’s phony Christianity, there’s pseudo-Christianity, Christian Fundamentalists, and then there is Rehberg Electiontime Christianity!

    Saving a statute when the GOP, should really be about saving people… Rehberg should be more interested in making sure poor families in Montana have heating oil to keep warm and food in their bellies to stay healthy!

    How do the Real American Christians keep from overturning the money tables of GOP sleaze amoung them… why havent they chase them out of the hallowed Halls of our forefathers…. and Why haven’t our DEMs done these things More themselves??????

  3. The Big Mountain Jesus was put up by the Knights of Columbus, a religious organization, to honor and protect Americans who fought in Europe during World War II. But the argument that the statue is a war memorial is a red herring. The figure is known generically as Christ the Redeemer, and it’s very common in Catholic nations, especially in Spain and Italy, Mexico, Central America, South America, and parts of some of our states in the southwest. Perhaps the most famous example of the genre stands atop Corcovado in Rio de Janeiro. Another Brazilian city, Barra do Garças, sports a similar statue.

    A few days ago, a group of 75 from the Flathead hiked to the Big Mountain Jesus, an outing that earned above the fold front page coverage in Kalispell’s Daily InterLake. The nice young woman at the grocery store I visited this evening pointed out the story to me, and she hoped the BMJ could remain where it is and continue protecting veterans.

    I doubt, however, it will protect veterans from Denny Rehberg. For that man…well, Christ!, there is no possible redeemer.

    • On one question I differ, * * * the right of discussing public affairs in the pulpit. * * * The mass of human concerns, moral
      and physical, is so vast, the field of knowledge requisite for man to conduct them to the best advantage is so extensive, that no human being can acquire the whole himself, and much less in that degree necessary for the instruction of others.

      It has of necessity, then, been distributed into different departments, each of which singly, may give occupation enough to the whole time and attention of a single individual. Thus we have teachers of languages, teachers of mathematics, of natural philosophy, of chemistry, of medicine, of law, of history, of government, &c. Religion, too, each is a separate department, and happens to be the only one deemed requisite for all men, however high or low.

      Collections of men associate under the name of congregations, and employ a religious teacher of the particular set of opinions of which they happen to be, and contribute to make up a stipend as a compensation for the trouble of delivering them, at such periods as they agree on, lessons in the religion they profess.

      If they want instruction in other sciences or arts, they apply to other instructors; and this is generally the business of early life. But. I suppose, there is not a single instance of a single congregation which has employed their preacher for the mixed purposes of lecturing them from the pulpit in chemistry, in medicine, in law, in the science and principles of government, or in anything but religion exclusively.

      Whenever, therefore, preachers, instead of a lesson in religion, put them off with a discourse on the Copernican system, on chemical affinities, on the construction of government, or the characters or conduct of those administering it, it is a breach of contract, depriving their audience of the kind of service for which they are salaried, and giving them, instead of it, what they did not
      want, or, if wanted, would rather seek from better sources in that particular art or science.

      In choosing our pastor, we look to his religious qualifications, without inquiring into his physical or political dogmas, with which
      we mean to have nothing to do. I am aware that arguments may be found, which may twist a thread of politics into the cord of religious duties. So may they find a tread for every other branch of human art or science.

      Thus, for example, it is a religious duty to obey the laws of our country; the teacher of religion, therefore, must instruct us in those laws, that we may know how to obey them. It is a religious duty to assist our sick neighbors; the preacher must, therefore, teach us medicine, that we may do it undertandingly. It is a religious duty to preserve our health; our religious teacher, then, must tell us what dishes are wholesome, and give us recipes in cookery, that we may learn how to prepare them.

      And so, ingenuity, by generalizing more and more, may amalgamate all the branches of science into every one of them, and the physician who is paid to visit the sick, may give a sermon instead of medicine; and the merchant to whom money is sent for a hat, may send a handkerchief instead of it.

      But notwithstanding this possible confusion of all sciences into one, common sense draws the lines between them sufficiently distinct for the general purposes of life, and no one is at a loss to understand that a recipe in medicine or cookery, or a demonstration in geometry, is not a lesson in religion.

      I do not deny that a congregation may if they please, agree with their preacher that he shall instruct them in medicine also, or law, or politics. Then, lectures in these, from the pulpit, become not only a matter of right, but of duty also.

      But this must be with the consent of every individual; because the association being voluntary, the majority has no right to apply the contributions of the minority to purposes unspecified in the agreement of the congregation.

      Thomas Jefferson written in 1815

      Smacks the same truth today regarding Mr. Denny Rehberg and the Knights of Columbus, forcing us to chose against our religion to suit theirs! Forcing us to ignore laws of the land based on their religion! Mixing religion and law to favor an outcome not everyone wants or needs!

  4. A believe Jesus would rather HOPE our leaders show COMPASSION, justice, mercy, and DO NOT OPRESS The poor, deny health care and caring others, and as precious as the statue is, sincere, good deeds to HELP
    the People, no matter of what Faith COUNTS.

  5. No serious sociologist any longer believes that the voice of the people expresses any divine or specially wise and lofty idea. The voice of the people expresses the mind of the people, and that mind is made up for it by group leaders in who it believes and by those persons who understand the manipulation of public opinion. It is composed of inherited prejudices and symbols and clichés and verbal formulas supplied to them by the leaders.

    …Political campaigns today are all side shows, all honors, all bombast, glitter and speeches. These are for the most part unrelated to the main business of studying the public scientifically, or supplying the public with party, candidate, platform and performance, and selling the public these ideas and practices.

    …The important thing for the statesman of our age is not so much to know how to please the public, but how to sway the public. In theory, this education might be done by means of learned pamphlets explaining the intricacies of public question. In actual fact, it can be done only by meeting the conditions of the public mind, by creating circumstances which set up trains of thought, by dramatizing personalities, by establishing contact with the group leaders who control the opinions of their public. Edward Bernays, the “father of modern advertising”, 1928.

    Tester and Rehberg are merely searching for potent symbols for use in manipulating voters. This sort of thing should be exposed not just in Rehberg, but in Tester as well, but you seem incapable, “Cowgirl.” It’s as if you are guided in your efforts by party loyalty at the expense of critical thinking.

    • And for this you site the Modern father of Spin? Incredible!

      • Nothing has changed. People still follow the opinion of leaders, why is why Thomas Frank was so perplexed (What’s eh Matter with Kansas?). It’s plainly obvious that Tester and Obama are right wing, and yet those perceptions do not sink in, as they are not the opinions of leaders, and people get their opinions from their leaders.

        • Thats total bullshit and you know it! Advertisers Pummel the average american almost with almost 15 minutes of ads per waking hour. Ads are seen far more then comment from national leaders! And that pretty close to dangerous brainwashing as far as I am concerned!

          Out of those add campaigns how much is considered necessary information? Almost None! How much of those ads better the country as a whole? ZIP?

          Advertising is spin, its main job is to influence the viewer in order to manipulate that person to buy their products, and spend their money in an Irrational way!

          • Agreed. Advertising is used in poltics too, and with all good ads the message is sublime.

            • There are no good ads!

              • Oh yeah – they know what they are doing. Ads are both a surface and sub-surface experience. The surface message is almost a distraction while the sublime message is implanted.

                Example: Superbowl ads for Bud Light – juvenile humor, aimed at kids 13-18. The surface message is dumb joke that makes them laugh, the subsurface message is to brand them so that when they do come of age, they will drink Bud Light.

                Every political ad is a string of images with music, and a voice-over narrative. These are not accidental collages. The voice-over is meant to be either soothing or upsetting, depending on whether the ad is talking about the candidate or the opponent. The music is the same either soothing or upsetting. But the key is the images, as they enter the brain unfiltered by what few critical thinking skills Americans possess. The real message is in the images, which tell their own story – kindness, loves old women, authoritative (talking to groups as people actually listen), leader (camera angle from down below tilted up).

                Of course it’s not always effective, as it is hard to get people to vote outside their party, and for that purpose they use wedge issues like guns, abortion, immigrants, and as Rehberg is so clumsily attempting here, Jesus. (Tester appears to have latched onto Medicare as his emotional-jolt issue. His handlers appear better skilled than Rehberg’s.)

              • Oh yeah – my favorite example, which I did not understand and which had to be explained to me: The Burns/Schweitzer campaign in 2000, which Burns narrowly won. We were inundated with ads, but it was the same ad, again and again and again form the Burns side, so tedious as to be annoying.

                The purpose of that campaign? As explained to me, and maybe this is over-thinking, but the purpose was to drive people nuts, turn them off on politics, make them want it to be over, to tune it out, to stay home and not vote. Low turnout favors Republicans.

  6. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | November 7, 2011 9:21 AM at 9:21 AM |

    Jesus, the last refuge of……… AN ASSHOLE! Dopey Reeburp missed his true calling. He is actually the THIRD McKenzie brother! Along with Doug and Bob, Dopey is always looking for a topic. And he finally FOUND one. JAYSUS! He found JAYSUS!, And Jaysus is this week’s topic for Dopey McKenzie! Now, for his next trick, Dopey is gonna put a mouse in the beer bottle and try to get a free case of beer!

    I just gotta wonder if that group in Wisconsin that STARTED this whole deal is part of Dopey’s crowd. I mean, this is just too bizarre a coincidence even for Dopey. Anybody know anything about these morons?

    But seriously, how many folks are gonna take this seriously? It could backfire, for you see, Dopey alREADY has the Teatard reetard crowd and the Christers in his camp. So, what’s the point of all this nonsense? To any rational, thinking person, it simply underscores that the fact that this drunken bum has NO record to run on EXcept made up issues like Skibum Jesus?

    Sad, so sad that THIS is Dopey’s entire gig. Get drunk, get in wrecks, and get JESUS! Well, I GUESS it’s kinda like a record!

  7. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | November 7, 2011 1:06 PM at 1:06 PM |

    BTW, interesting that the GF Spitoon felt the need to print this “story” bout some friggin’ idiot who felt that the South had some “good ideas about states’ rights”, and that the Civil War wasn’t about slavery. Yes, I call bullshit on the Spitoon. It is a piece of sh*t that passes itself off as a newspaper. There was NO compelling interest nor reason to print such horseh*t. And hell, even the rightwing bozo commenters were having none of it. Good grief, when you can’t even impress the Spitoon comment section with your idiocy, it’s time to maybe find a new line of work. But the question I have about this piece of “news” is why?

    http://www.greatfallstribune.com/comments/article/20111107/NEWS01/111070313/Civil-War-still-stirs-emotions-retired-scholar-finds

  8. Well, this is just “firing up the base.”
    You folks should check out the Freedom From Religion Foundation directly. They are, in a bizarre way, just as evangelical, just as intrusive, just as shameless as the worst religious crusaders. They believe, not….just as hard as do the more extreme believers.
    I think the end result will be a rider to sell the plot, using the annual lease for the mountain as a whole, divided by the 25×25 feet, times maybe 20 years lease. That’ll be chump change, and I’ll contribute a few bucks.
    It’s not just Christians annoyed at this tripe. While I don’t find the statue inspiring in that way, I do find it a comfort, an appropriate memorial, and like having it there.
    Didja know that the Tenth Mountain division is still around, and fighting and dying in the sandbox against the same people that peacenik turned warmonger Christopher Hitchens (an FFRF studmuffin atheist, soon to find out if he is right or wrong) calls Islamofascists? O, the irony.
    So, whatever Rehberg’s motives, he is nonetheless on the right side of this issue.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | November 7, 2011 1:38 PM at 1:38 PM |

      Sorry, Dave, but a HUGE swing…..and another miss! Whiff! You’re out. What you have written makes NO sense! Freedom from YOUR bullshit idea of religion and patriotism is NOT wrong in any sense. Hell, EVERYone’s beliefs are different. Hell, I KNEW lot’s of guys from the Tenth Mountain who served in WWII, and I guaran-frickin’-TEE you that they would call bullshit on this.

      And, as a Vietnam Vet myself, I find it to be EXTREMELY offensive to be told in ANY way shape or form what I must believe in regards to religion! PERIOD! IF it were a statue of BuddHa, Lao Tzu, Confucious, Mohammed, I would feel EXACTLY the same way. For you see, I don’t belong to the freedom FROM religion contigency, but I AM a member in good standing in the organized religion is BULLSHIT coalition! Get it off public property.

      Dopey Reeburp, a non-veteran, is simply a horse’s ass. He’s the Kungu Fu Panderer of the religeeous wackjob crowd. And it shows!

      • “Dopey Reeburp, a non-veteran, is simply a horse’s ass. He’s the Kungu Fu Panderer of the religeeous wackjob crowd. And it shows!”

        As in he NEVER SERVED SO HE DOESN”T KNOW!

        How big this Candidates Hypocrisy Grows!!!

  9. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | November 7, 2011 1:54 PM at 1:54 PM |

    Hey, Skinner, you want some “progress”, dude? It’s all OUT there! Go get you some! This is your kinda place! I can’t understand why you stay in Montana with all us wacko enviros when you COULD/SHOULD be enjoying the good life! Whassupwith that?

    http://www.iwatchnews.org/2011/11/07/7297/community-coated-black-mist-until-citizens-fought-back

    • Larry,
      At the time the monument was erect, it was okay to be Christian. Never mind we were in the Cold War fighting the godless Commies — part of the reason “under God” got jammed into the Pledge (thanks to Knights of Columbus) and part of the reason you got a free trip to Veet Nam, which Johnson and MacNamara lost, with lots of help from Uncle Walter and David Halberstam.
      The Nam was a just war, as the aftermath in Cambodia and South Vietnam made pretty clear. My dad fought over there, he’s proud he did.
      As for your favored link, I’m sorry, but the Center for Public Integrity is one of the leading Coke brothers attack dogs. They are funded by the foundational Left, such as Soros’ Open Society, Packard, Pew, Ford, Joyce (Obama’s sinecure)–
      Not exactly a center for journalistic integrity. If that’s where you get your “news,” well, that explains a few things.

      • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | November 7, 2011 3:32 PM at 3:32 PM |

        Dave, is that the best you got? I expected better.

        • Did he just blame the Democrats for Nixons withdrawl of Vietnam? It was the protests that help shut down a war for oil and rubber. After all we went there in the beginning for the OUR French allies( Vietman was a territory of french rule).

          Russia whether or not it was communist( Not socilaist) was a secular state just like the USA was… WHy do you think all of a sudden in 1956 we put the Motto,”In god we trust” on American Money? Cuz up to that time certain politicos thought it would help us defeat communism to have God on our side( and they were stupid enought to believe it would differentiate us from Communisim)! Did it? No!

          The economy of capitalism not god, changed economics of Russia!

          World war 2 was fought to Oust Hitler a German not a commie either, and Russia was our ally then! We have had various military skirmishes with Russia, but we have never been in Battle or more appropriately war against them!

          So we have had a few years of cold war way back in the day… today they are for all intended interests an ally in Nato.

          Stop with all the godless commie crap, and fear mongering will ya Dave? Your hurting your intelligence level with the knowledge Natives of this State!

      • Dave, you sound just like Fox news.
        I don’t think Soros funds the Ford Foundation or any of the other groups that Fund the Center

        http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Public_Integrity

        Awards for jouralism are not bought, their earned http://nationalpress.org/awards/winner/the-center-for-public-integrity/

        http://www.publicintegrity.org/investigations/icij/awards/

        • No, Lynn, George’s Open Society Institute DIRECTLY funds CPI, although OSI could certainly make donor-advised gifts to Ford as a pass-through. That’s Tides’ job, tho.
          Soros gave away 1.08 billion in 2009. Where did that money go? Mark Hertsgaard, of the Nation, an “independent” warmist “journalist” got 65 grand. Oh, there’s some GOOD stuff here….excuse me…

          • Look in the Mirror Dave, Your wingnut is showing!

            • Show me some citations

              Oh ..I forgot Fox News doesn’t use those

              • Lynn, my source wasn’t Fox, but rather the OSI form 990 for 2009 posted to Guidestar.
                The biggest transaction was a one-billion-dollar transaction/transfer to Foundation for an Open Society, newly founded and still controlled by Soros and his son Jonathan, who in turn has his own “philanthropic” foundation.
                But that’s a subject for another thread at another time. I’m just wondering if, because Larry already takes his marching orders from George’s network, he should apply for a grant for the Environmental Rangers.

      • Dave it is still okay to be christian your just not allowed to shove it down our throats, like Denny and the Knights of Columbus are doing now!

        I dont see Muslims, Jews, Buddists, socialists or Atheists standing on a corner with Tracks and Pamphlets telling me I am going to go to hell if I dont switch religions… just Christians!

        At least the Hare Krishna sing and are happy!

        Other religions believe you are intelligent enough to make the decisions of who you believe your god is, after carefully reading up on the subject, only the christian religion says it is blasphemous to do so!

        Even our forefathers spoke little of their religion because it was not intended outside of the congregation to do so!

        Almighty God hath created the mind free, and manifested His supreme will that free it shall remain by making it altogether insusceptible of restraint * All attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burden’s, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, who, being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do, but to exalt it by its influence on reason alone.

        Thomas Jefferson

        • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | November 7, 2011 6:11 PM at 6:11 PM |

          Luv the Tommy J. quotes. Now HE was an American! The best! These pretenders like skinner really do not DESERVE the democracy that others founded! They’re simply too stupid.

          • Agreed, They need to really need to go back to school period, they do not have enough education to be … even playing around with Politics if they do not even know where America came form!

  10. This my friends, is pandering. Rehberg is trying to become the king of pandering to Christians. If he was really a religious type, he would know that his statue idiocy does nothing to serve Jesus (who would be more likely to care about food and shelter for Veterans then some polycarbonite statue.

    • I suspect the statue is painted plaster of paris on a wire mesh over a wood frame. It could be sold at auction and the proceeds donated to a charity for veterans.

      • First good Idea Out there!

        • Of course the flaw with this plan is that actual veterans would be helped, and that’s something Rehberg doesn’t seem much interested in.

      • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | November 7, 2011 3:30 PM at 3:30 PM |

        HEY, I got some really, really BAD news for the FundiwackMENTalist Christofascists out there. I KNOW that they don’t like to admit it, and I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings. But God is black. OH….MY….GOD! Is that true? Why yes it is! God is BLACKER than O’Bama ever THOUGHT of being!

        You see, the FIRST humans roamin’ around this old Earth were negroids! In other words, BLACK! And God looked down and said, “This is good”. Lot’s of black folks runnin’ round down there in Eden. I’m thinkin’ that they’ll look BAD in My image. Let’s DO it!” SO, therefore, what did God do? HE DONE’ER! He CREATED man in HIS image! Negroid! Black! BEEYOOTIFUL!

        It’s true. There AIN’T no disputin’ it. Ask ANY anthropologist. BEFORE whitey appeared on the scene, there was only blacky! GOD’S image!

        Hence, it must be deduced conCLUSIVELY that God is INDEED black!

        Therefore, James, I too want to honor all that served. And at the same time be historically accurate. SO, I suggest a yearly event for ALL veterans, just like in high school when the seniors take the freshman up on the hills to paint the rocks. The veteran troops could take the new recruits UP on the hill to Skibum Jesus and give him a fresh coat of paint! Black of course! What BETTER way to carry on a tradition started by the Nighty Knights of ColUMPus! I say we get’er done! Nuthin’ like tradition. TraaaaaaDITION!

        How bout it, Dopey? You like my idea???? Dopey, the Kung Fu Pander!

  11. There are certain principles in which the constitutions of our several States all agree, and which all cherish as
    vitally essential to the protection of the life,liberty, property and safety of the citizen.

    [One is] Freedom of Religion, restricted only from acts of trespass on that of others.

    Thomas Jefferson 1823

    James Madison took the lead in steering such a bill through the First Federal Congress, which convened in the spring of 1789. The Virginia Ratifying Convention and Madison’s constituents, among whom were large numbers of Baptists who wanted freedom of religion secured, expected him to push for a bill of rights.

    On September 28, 1789, both houses of Congress voted to send twelve amendments to the states. In December 1791, those ratified by the requisite three fourths of the states became the first ten amendments to the Constitution. Religion was addressed in the First Amendment in the following familiar words: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

    In notes for his June 8, 1789, speech introducing the Bill of Rights, Madison indicated his opposition to a “national” religion. Most Americans agreed that the federal government must not pick out one religion and give it exclusive financial and legal support. According to The Congressional Register Madison, on June 8, moved that “the civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext infringed.”

    This is why this statue cannot stand on federal Land and must be moved!

  12. Ryan Emmett Morton | November 7, 2011 3:22 PM at 3:22 PM |

    As an atheist myself, I don’t much care whether the Jesus statue stays. I tend to think such symbols as cultural. I wouldn’t want public money spent moving it or keeping it, but I guess since a permit is involved it would be best to move it.

    I am sure about removing Rehberg. What a tool! Memo to Rehberg: Neither Jesus nor his likeness will save you.

  13. Nowhere does the discussion mention that the WWII vets that erected the statue say that it is far toooo fragile to move. Rehberg has hit upon a proposal to swap the 25×25 foot patch to Whitefish Mtn. Resort for an equal patch they own. Seems reasonable. Too bad Tester is so busy that he doesn’t think of practical solutions. I first saw the statue on the T-bar in 1961. I look for it every time I return to the mountain to make a few turns.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | November 7, 2011 6:32 PM at 6:32 PM |

      Craig, you are just TOO pious for the REST of us, dude! Bless you my son! BWHAHAHAAA! Did you actually KNOW anyone in the Tenth? I did. They would laff their asses off at such nonsense. Look, the dudes in the Tenth LOVED the mountains! That’s why they volunteered! It was all mountian training! The didn’t NEED a bunch of pretenders dressed up in military drag takin’ time off from their FISH fries to erect a STATUE for them! The Nightie Nights of ColumPUSS are WAY off base! Montanans are laffin’ their asses off at the Lawsuit Kid, the Kung Fu Pander, Dopey Reeburp! He’s done. Now, he’s just diggin’ to see how deep the hole’s gonna be.

      You see, Craig, when you sue the freakin’ FIRE dept, and nearly kill your staff, FIND Skibum JAYsus for a political ploy, and make an ASS outta yourself every time you open your mouth, folks catch on. That’s just the was it is. There’s NUTHIN’ Dopey can do at this point. He would be smart to quit trying and allow the Big Kockh brothers to work their magic with their billions and negative ads. It’s his only hope.

      Take it from me, a pundit!

    • Tester knows will enough to leave Rehberg alone in the Mud on this one! When other issues are far more important then a statute of Jesus.

      The very care of our veterns take real residence in the hearts and hands of true menlike Tester who know they dont have to wait for some Idol to give grace, love and understanding to those who served! They are already doing that with acts and not words themselves!

    • Craig-
      It is good that you are close to jesus while you are skiing. But I also hear that some muslims who live in whitefish have a simlar type of memorial they want to erect, involving their own religion. Will you support that?

      • Really? http://www.bestplaces.net/religion/city/montana/whitefish Of the 0.00% of Islamic faithful in Whitefish, just what do they want? Let’s have specifics.

        • Even if the question was Hypothetical you should have answered it Craig! But you didn’t you wanted people to know there is no Muslims in Whitefish! What if the muslims are afraid to openly admit to the general public they are living there!

          What a bigot!

          They are like anyone else dude! I have lived and ate at their houses in America! They want the same things for their kids and their familys! For Gods sake they have been here since the beginning of this countries existence. They stood side by side with others to build the white House from conception! They Are AMERICANS! WTF is wrong with you people!

          • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | November 8, 2011 6:33 AM at 6:33 AM |

            Sometimes, it takes an act of CONGRESS……….to make a horse’s ass!

            http://www.greatfallstribune.com/article/20111108/NEWS01/111080318/-1/7daysarchives/Rehberg-proposes-land-swap-protect-old-Jesus-statue

            Dopey Reeburp will move heaven and earth to court the christofascist vote! Maybe he should send away for one of them by mail PREACHER degrees! Then, he could claim to be the Revrearend Dopey Reeburp! Hey, it’s worth a shot!

            What Craig fails to mention is that of all the current “religions” out there, christianity certianly must be the most maleable! It ranges from the flatout goofy to the absurd! But the common thread that holds them all together is their tendency to vote rightwing AGAINST their own best interests! And heck, as long as they’re getting screwed, they should at LEAST have something to SHOW for it!

            Hence, Dopey’s Skibum Jesus! Sure, they’re takin’ it up the bum from the Big Kockh brothers, but by GOD they can look up on that mountain and see Skibum Jesus and KNOW that some things never change! Some things are eternal. They may not have a pot to PISS in, but by GOD Dopey gave’em JAYSUS on a hill! And that is good enuff for the moron crowd!

            If you give a man a fish, he’ll eat. If you give a man a fishing pole, he’ll learn to fee himself.

            If you rob a man, he’ll call the cops. If you rob a man and give him a CEEment Skibum Jesus, he’ll THANK you for it!

          • The question was bogus. That makes you an idiot to suggest it was meaningful and deserving of a substantive response.

            • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | November 8, 2011 9:29 AM at 9:29 AM |

              At the risk or being an idiot, allow me a question worthy of a response. Craig, WHICH is more pagan? Worshipping the sun, or a CEEment Jesus on a ski hill? I vote for the CEEment Jesus! You see, IF you must fight like hell to maintain a guady, tawdry, pathetic looking statue on a hill somewhere’s in Montana, THEN your religion is simply bullshit ANYway. I put Dopey and the christers FIRMLY in that class! I mean, good grief. Is this REALLY worth an act of Congress? Are there REALLY no mainstream religous folks out there who will speak out against this travesty? Or are they all so cowed by the Big Kockhs?

              It’s a pretty sad state of affairs I’d say.

              • Larry, what’s sad is an educated person like you has such a distorted and false understanding of Christian statues. No one worships the object, it merely provides a visual representation to stimulate reflection, thought, and prayer.

            • Craig, the question wasn’t bogus, though it certainly could have been phrased better.

              How about this instead. According to your own link, 63% of the residents of Whitefish are not religious. (For the purpose here, lets leave to the side Skinner’s victim complex that assumes those would be anti-religious.) So, we can rightly ask 2 (or more) hypothetical questions. 1) Would you support the erection of a monument to the Flying Spaghetti Monster? 2) Considering the number of Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodists and (possibly fundamentalist) Jews would you support a claim that the statue represents a graven image in violation of Holy Commandment?

              It seems clear that support Dennis in his effort to protect this statue. I won’t insult your intelligence by quoting the First Amendment. But it would be appreciated if you could clarify how congressional act of swapping the people’s land for other private land to defend a religious symbol is *not* a state legal establishment of what among religious symbols should be defended? If it is the case that you support legal effort to defend religious symbols, do you support Melinda Gopher’s claim that Jon Tester started a culture (holy) war by removing wolves from the ESL?

              • There is precedent for such swaps. That is not a novel idea.

                So Rob, when are they going to pull down all of the Christian crosses at Arlington?

                • Craig, there are Jewish Star’s of David at Arlington, Islamic Crescents and a recently fought court battle has resulted in a pagan symbol there. Your question is ridiculous until you answer what was asked. Do you support non-traditional religious symbols as well as Dennis’ attempt to protect a Catholic idol? Do you support Melinda Gopher’s assertion that hunting wolves is a holy war?

                  • Rob, I will not be baited to respond to the silly shit that passes for discourse here.

                    That being said, I am not in favor of tearing down any religious symbols. Never have, nor will I ever. The statue on the top of Chair 2, the old T-bar, was placed there by the very vets that helped build the ski mountain. Those vets who fought across Italy’s mountains encountered many such icons and statutes. They suffered much. If there were Japanese American vets that fought there and wanted to add a Shinto shrine or a Buddha, that’s fine with me.

                    As to ridiculous, equating wolf hunting to a holy war takes the prize.

                  • As to your last assertion, I couldn’t agree with you more.

                    But let’s be clear. There are those who want to tear down a religious idol which we agree should be left alone, or not depending on the law. No problem, except … One candidate for Senate wishes to make this an election issue, and seeks to establish a defense of religious iconography. He seeks to turn a religious idol into political capitol. That isn’t just ridiculous. It’s unconstitutional.

                  • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | November 8, 2011 7:22 PM at 7:22 PM |

                    “One candidate for Senate wishes to make this an election issue, and seeks to establish a defense of religious iconography. He seeks to turn a religious idol into political capitol. That isn’t just ridiculous. It’s unconstitutional”

                    Thank you. Excellent summation. Defense of religous iconography. That is EXACTLY what it is. So, why are the mainstream religions kicking Dopey’s dumbass on this one? I don’t get it. Apparently they agree that the graven image IS the thing! The sacred thing! Sad, so sad. Not my idea of religion at all.

        • there are too muslims in whitefish, you guys just don’t see them. there are a few, though most are secular. don’t think i’m going to “out” them, craig, either. and what would it matter what the content of the memorial is? suppose it’s a miniature model of the mosque in mecca, about the same size as the jesus statue?

          • Gumbo, your question was bogus as there are no Muslims in Whitefish requesting religious icons, statuary, or pictures be placed on Big Mountain or on ANY public lands. Unlike Christianity, Islam forbids such displays in public or privately in their homes. I don’t swing at a pitch in the dirt.

            You guys can bump fists over your personal pejoratives, but that’s to be expected. Have fun!

  14. Shorter, more concise Craig Moore Comment: This is Murica! There ain’t no Muslims here so they don’t matter!

  15. Ryan Emmett Morton | November 8, 2011 10:24 AM at 10:24 AM |

    May the Jesus statue forgive us all! LMFAO!

  16. The statue is okay with me. But we should be cautious about allowing priests on the slopes, with all the kids around.

  17. Hey, Larry…

    WHAT WILL YOU SAY WHEN JESUS SHOWS UP IN PERSON???
    GET SERIOUS…VERY SERIOUS
    HE WILL…SHOW UP!
    REVELATION 22:12&20

    CP

    • Ryan Emmett Morton | November 9, 2011 4:29 PM at 4:29 PM |

      Glad to see silly ideas like this still exist in the very quaint, God fearing corners of Montana.

      “Behold I am coming soon – but not too soon – gotta wait until you elect a Black President in America.” LMFAO! Silly Christians, tricks are for kids!

      • The all caps lets you know that she is SERIOUS about Jesus.

        • Ryan Emmett Morton | November 9, 2011 4:54 PM at 4:54 PM |

          Yeah, I know, right. Makes me laugh about who Rehberg really thinks he’s pandering to. Obviously, he’s picking up the some Revelation quoting fundamentalists who think the Bible is fact. CRAZY!

    • You can believe in torture or you can believe in Jesus but you don’t get to believe in both!

      Get a life Cheri you GOP are a warmongering sect that doesn’t believe in Jesus, just anyone who Quotes him wrongly!

  18. Cheri-please let us know when Jesus shows up in person. When it happens, we’ll think of something to say. Right now all we have is a bunch of child molesting priests and bigoted mortals claiming he is to blame for their acts. -I’m guessing he’ll have something to say about that huh?

  19. No one knows the day or the hour, only GOD himself, and believe me, the whole world will know when Jesus shows up in person…we all are accountable to him for our actions, no one else. Yes, He will have plenty to say about all of these things.
    We all need to be ready for this day, whenever it happens.
    cp

    • Oh for pity’s fricking sake. People have been making this same crap argument since Augustine in 300 CE.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | November 9, 2011 10:03 PM at 10:03 PM |

      Cheri, making fun of Dopey Reeburp is HARDLY classified as even being in the VENIAL sin department! God loves a good joke as well as anyone. And really, when you think about it, (OOOPS! sorry. I don’t mean you personally! I KNOW how you “christyeeans” HATE to think!) But when ONE actually thinks about it, Dopey Reeburp is a one man HUMOR factory! Should we really allow all that great humor to go to waste? Or should we mine it? I say MINE it and offer it up as our gift to the Creator!

      There are many ways to honor the Creator, Cheri. My personal favorite is beating the crap outta evildoers, and EVERthin Dopey Reeburp does is evil. Hence, he’s fair game. Bashin’ Dopey Reeburp is my gift to the Creator. God told Moses in Deutoronomy, “I set before thee life and death. Choose life that you might live”. Everything Dopey and his nazi pals do produces DEATH!, as in a dead planet, hundreds of thousands dead in evil, illegal wars, etc. Need I go on? You see, Cheri, I choose life. Everything I do is life affirming.

      I believe we all have gifts. My gift is the gift of knowledge, or in other words, knowing shit from shinola and WRITING about it! Yes, it’s true. I took a big bite of apple from the bullshit tree I guess! Thus, I call bullshit when I see it and attempt to help others see it to. I can’t help it. I blame the apple. Is that so wrong? Pointing out evil beFORE it’s able to spawn?

      I think God/Allah/Creator would approve. I’m tight with the Lord. Are you? Hope this helps.

  20. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | November 10, 2011 7:38 AM at 7:38 AM |

    Cheri, lotta good reading in here bout you christyeeans and how you’ve perverted the words of the Bible. Evil done in the name of God is STILL evil. Think about that. God gave you a freakin’ brain. USE it!

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/

  21. There is another front to the war on Jesus that conservative politicians must act on immediately. Some so-called Christians in colorado are protesting the Tim Tebow Jesus Jerseys.

    http://www.ktvq.com/news/custom-tebow-jerseys-cause-controversy/

    Rehberg will surely put up a “Save the Tim Tebow Jesus Jersey” Web site immediately. Please, lets do something now before its too late.

  22. This has nothing to do with Rehberg…
    in John 10:30 JESUS says,

    “I and my Father are one.”

    Do you really think you can kick GOD off his planet? He created and owns every mountain! He gives you your next breath!

    Psalms 9:17 “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget GOD.”

    “When a nation refuses to acknowledge GOD as the supreme authority,
    it automatically forfeits the blessing and protection of…
    THE ALMIGHTY.”

    Consider the condition of our world and nation at this time…is this what you really want?

  23. Dear cheri – ever heard of the Ten Commandments? Remember the one about “thou shalt not worship graven images”? Dueteronomy 5:4-12 8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

    This means you shouldn’t worship a statue of Jesus, you should try to treat others as he would.

  24. I did not make the statue…
    I do not worship statues…
    We are to worship GOD alone!
    Yes, we are to treat others the way we would like to be treated…
    but people should not live like there is no GOD.
    There IS A GOD.
    He was born on earth, as a baby.
    He died on a cross for our sin.
    He was buried in a tomb, and on the third day rose from the dead to pay for our sin.
    He paid for our sin with his own blood.
    His name is…JESUS…
    We will all stand before Him and give an account of our lives.
    What will our excuse be then?
    Revelation 22:12 & 20
    He is coming back…Get ready

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