Posted: December 20, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Livingstone Taking Gloves Off?
Word on the street from Kalispell is: at a recent Flathead Republican meeting, gubernatorial candidate Neil Livingstone took a few hard swings at his opponent Rick Hill.
Livingstone supposedly made reference to “values,” and said that Hill has proven in his past that he doesn’t have good ones; and he described Hill is a “failed businessman” who is not qualified to be Governor.
Livingstone knows about business, having made a fortune charging foreign governments (and dictators) for expertise on terrorism and international relations, whereas Rick Hill charged the state of Montana a fortune for inflated rental space.
But Livingstone might also have trouble with the GOP values police: not long ago, he split from his longtime spouse, trading her in for a newer model, a “young blond dish.” So values might not be his card.
If Neil Livingstone wants to talk values, I’ve got a good one for him, stop selling yourself like a 2dollar street hooker to Mommar Quiddafi. Now there’s some family values, like not selling out our troops.
Livingstone has run many successful businesses. He’s the only candidate that has business experience in natural resource development…something Montana’s next governor absolutely needs. You can trash his values all you want, that may be fair. His business experience would be a real asset to Montana, which is obviously why you are lobbing unfounded attacks at it.
Business experience is vastly overrated as a qualification for political office (ask about Mitt Romney). Our next governor needs political skills and experience.
OK, LameO, NAME and LIST the “businesses” that Neil Livingscam has run and just HOW those scams, OOOPS!, I mean businesses translate into experience that relates to Montana! You see, LameO, I’m havin’ a REAL hard time figurin’ out just HOW attempting to extort money from a dicktater relates to Montana at all! Maybe you can help. Be specific now, LameO. Maybe ol’ Livingscam could set up a state Office of Extorting Money from Dicktaters or sumthin’. HEY, you claimed it. You OWN it, dude! Now back it up.
Livingscam is a joke. He’s kinda like ol’ Pastord Bulbdim. The Pastord is as phony as the day is long, but he CAN impress his flock of stoopid flockers with the fact that he actually RAN for prezidunce! You see, stoopid flockers are easily impressed by bullhshit artists, ESPECIALLY the ones claiming to talk to GAWD! I suspect that Livingscam is on a similar ego trip. He can impress his buddies in the security expert bidness by running for guv. He’s got about as much chance as Pastord Bulbdim did for prezidunce, but by GAWD he ran!
We get these kinda dudes here in GF all the time. They are comPLETELY unfit for ANY elected office, but they still run. We had one fat little dude that was a perenial candidate. I used to call him hotdog boy because he was so rotund. He was invited to all the debates and took part. He had a couple of bizarre talking points that he delivered over and over again with all the seriousness and expertise he could muster. He was kinda entertaining. He was kinda like a metaphor for the fact that in our democracy, ANY idiot can run and be taken seriously by the press! (and a few morons)
I put Livingscam and Bulbdim in the hotdog boy category! Should they run? Oh HELL no! Can they run? Oh HELL yes! ‘Sides, an election NEEDS comic relief! And for that I thank’em!
And HEY, any bald headed dude who can get a younger hot dish to marry him, well, I take my HAT off to that dude!…..while he should probly keep his on! I mean, a chrome dome IS a real handicap! It just shows that Neil has overcome adversity in his life. He was born follicly challenged, but by GAWD he overcame that! Now THAT shows character in my book! And character counts!
OH MY GOD! I actually FOUND some folks who voted for Pastord Bulbdim! Just good ol’ down to earth salt of the earth earthy patridiotic Murcans who LUVs their country! Hey, maybe Livingscam will appeal to these folks too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcnTAuFCUk8
He was an executive at Erickson Air-Crane. He also founded and brought public Global Options Inc. He advises several for profit and non profit businesses. And he even has a pedigree that you liberals always tout…he was a professor at Georgetown. He’s also written several books and made hundreds of TV appearances.
Those qualifications are fine, except it is all overshadowed by that fact that he is a Teapublican scumbag.
Hmmm. Erickson Air Crane. Where have I heard that before. Oh YEAH! They were the dudes that developed the Dicktater Extraction Device! That’s it! Wow. How could I forget! You see, when a dicktater has to flee the country REAL quick, for a cool ten million smackeroos, Livingscam will sell them the Dicktater Extraction Device! And voila! Dicktater is gone to a new home country! Slick as snot!
Here’s a demonstration by Livingscam himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W3gamijezc
p.s. And LameO, Livingscam is a gag candidate, dude, the political equivalent of a whoopee cushion. A novelty that’s good for a laff. That’s all. He’s got nuthin’.
LameO, seems to me that pretnear EVERY endeavor that Livingscam has ventured into was GUBMINT SUBSIDIZED in one way or the other! Is THAT really the kinda dude we need/want runnin’ our state, a dude who has been a gubmint sucker his whole life? I think not. Any scams, OOPS!, I mean businesses he created were ALL predicted on suckin’ off’n one gubmint or another! Am I right or what?! We need CREATORS not takers and suckers for leaders.
Now, list the businesses that Livingscam created that WEREN’T related to suckin’ off one gubmint or another! I’ll wait.
Oops. Should read “predicated” not predicted. Never post after visitin’ the knee-walking muses!
Come now, we can’t equate getting a divorce and using your wealth to attract gold-digging women with cheating on your wife with a cocktail waitress and then getting your divorce.
One is certainly sketchy, but the affair is what’s morally worse.
If Livingstone takes the gloves off, Hill is in trouble. He is an insurance indusrty shill-he couldn’t even manage his own finances and got so greedy he was easily scammed out of hundreds of thousands, his wife and he were involved in the TRIAD scandal, and that’s not even mentioning his fat rent scheme on the taxpayers dime.
This is turning into a real slapfight now. I hope Livingstone doesn’t flip flop and go all eleeymysonary on us toward Hill.
Hill’s term as a Chairman of the Blue Cross Blue Shield Foundation Board of Directors will surely be highlighted by the campaign soon, when he tries to highlight his eleemosynary side to inoculate himself against attacks based on his fleecing of the tax payers by renting property to GOP administrations.
It seems one of my comments is stuck in the spam folder Cowgirl. Thanks for your attention.
Cowgirl, I think Mr. Hill is in trouble too. While Neil may not enjoy the support of the Republican Old Guard, he is a needed revolutionary. You are right, he has provided expertise to foreign and domestic governments, companies, and private interests. He has made a living solving complex problems. He has been separated from his wife (the former acting Secretary of the Navy) for years rather than being divorced for personal reasons. To be sure, Neil believes in logging, drilling, and mining to create jobs and pay the bills. As the guy that Mr. Hill refers to as the “Poster Child” for the Montana Conservation Voters, I believe it can be done too but we need sustainability and corporate accountability. For those who love Montana, the rich make the rules and we can’t protect our legacy being poor. We need jobs. P.S. Poor form to pick on spouses as there is plenty of ammunition elsewhere. Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah Ryan
Mr. Zinke:
Thank you for commenting at the Cowgirl blog, the number one political website in Montana. We always appreciate your contributions.
I don’t believe I “picked” on spouses by simply pointing out that Mr. Livingstone has a much younger one now, while he has also accused Hill of “lacking values.” As to being a progressive on the environment, you are to be applauded for that, of course.
But I noticed that you did not address the topic of the blog post at all. Do you agree with Mr. Livingstone’s comments made at the Flathead Republican meeting? Does Mr. Livingstone stand by them?
Happy Kwanzaa,
Cowgirl
Hey Cowgirl, I did not attend any event in which Neil referred to Mr. Hill’s business acumen. I will ask him and let you know. Mr. Hill, however, even among Republicans is better known as being the former Chairman of the State Fund- which is a plague on small businesses and labor alike. I am sure that Senator Keene from Butte would be happy to share his views on the matter. As always, I appreciate the conversation and value your perspective. PS. my earlier comments were in reference to the bloggers comments on spouses, girlfriends, and the like. The candidates themselves should provide enough ammunition for all. ryan
Sen. Zinke, we alREADY mine, log, and drill. Just what the hell would you do differently? I suggest a couple’a things for you to do. Go to North Dakota and ask the locals how all that prosperity is doin’ for them. Then stop over in Zortman/Landusky and ask the folks over there. And then, investigate just HOW much money Pegasus Gold paid in taxes over the twenty year life of that mine. I know. Do you?? (answer: not much. twelve million in local taxes while RAPING billions in profits for themselves, and then declaring bankruptcy and leaving US to clean up the mess, which can’t be done.)
You see, most Montanans will find your arguments to be bogus, disingenuous, and preposterous. We have tried your way, and it left a ruined landscape and a boom and bust economy. If you and Livingscam had actually LIVED and WORKED here for the last forty years or so, you’d know that.
You see, running for higher office in Montana does NOT consist solely in a contest to see who is willing to be the biggest pimp for industry! Sorry, it don’t work that way. But that is exactly what you folks on the Pubbie side want to turn it into. And THAT turns Montanans off!
Your sound bite bites! Bites the big one. It’s silly. Um, yes we CAN protect our legacy from the rich even if were poor, because we have DONE exactly that repeatedly here in Montana by protecting the places that we love. (ie. the Front, the Blackfoot, the Sweet Grass Hills, and on and on. Maybe go down there to the Bozeman Pass and ask them folks why they didn’t want no coal bed methane wells in their front yards?)
Please do get yourself and Neil some Montana history books and bone up, and get yourselves up to speed. Look, I hate to be so blunt, but you dudes are embarrassing yourselves by spouting such patent nonsense. But then, you’re probably already sensing that from the responses you’re getting from around the state.
You guys remind me very much or Marc Ratco’s Vision 2000 BS. Remember that one? It was a real laffer. Marky’s plan was to DOUBLE the amount of irrigated land in Montana. Wow! Sounds real good, right? Only one small problem. A WATER shortage! How you gonna double the amount of irrigated land with NO water?? Your proposal to mine more, log more, and drill more is EQUALLY preposterous! Hey, now THERE’S a great slogan that you might wanna try out! Prospertiy through Preposterousness! Like it? Me too. And it’s a WHOLE lot more TRVTHful than your current theme of Back to the Future…..AGAIN! Rapin’ the land in the name of economic development has simply lost the appeal that it once had. I guess that everyone except you and Neil got the memo.
Republicanism has now become a mental illness! Now, it consists SOLELY of stoopid flockers, frackers, and of course racist crackers! And that’s a shame. Sad, so sad that the party allowed this to happen!
For Sen. Zinke and his sidekick Livingscam. Here’s some “progress” for you dudes. You see, no one wants your crappola. You dudes are late to the party. Montana has moved on.
http://interested-party.blogspot.com/2011/12/invest-in-environmental-lawyer-now.html
According to Sen. Zinke and his sidekick Livingscam, when the entire state has been fracked and looks like Colstrip, we’ll finally be free ’cause them rich dudes won’t be able to push us around any more. Now I ask, can his argument get any sillier? Nope. It can’t. In fact, it’s bizarre. Must’a come from Livingcam himself. He’s an “expert” you know. And a consultant! He’s been on TeeVee! I think I’ll trust Wally McCrae on this one before I trust a couple’a dudes like them two.
http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/201003/coal.aspx
On one small point we will have to disagree, Larry. Your anology with “Ranco’s” water project does not apply. As you pointed out, there wasn’t any water to do the project. The candidates espousing resource utilization have legs to stand on because the resources are actually there. There exists a great deal of resource wealth here in Montana. The question has been (and probably will continue to be) how to get at those resources in a manner that will not negatively effect our Montana way of life. As you pointed out (in your own special way), there are many in Bizmark North Dakota that are not at all happy about what is going on there. On the other hand, there are many there that have made a small fortune cashing in on the situation. While I would agree with you that we probably don’t want that situation here, a little added prosperity (and jobs) would not be amiss…
Moorcat, you as a good conservative probably understand better than most that economic development must make economic sense. And most all of these reetard teatards running do NOT understand that. If it costs more to clean UP a messy development (if that’s even possible), than the revenue generated, it makes no economic sense. In other words, in the case of Zortman/Landusky, it would have been cheaper to pay the miners to stay home!
And really, can we even BEGIN to clean up an aquifer? Nope. What happens underground STAYS underground. Those poor moronic folks in N.D. will rue the day that they ever HEARD of fracking. When an entire third of their state becomes uninhabitable for lack of water, then maybe they’ll realize that they got suckered. But then it will be a wee bit too late. They will then understand my off-stated “maxim of economic development must make economic sense” to be true.
http://summitcountyvoice.com/2011/12/09/wyoming-water-pollution-linked-with-fracking/
This will be their tragic reality soon. Now, was it worth a few years of boom, for now the bust is permanent! Sad, so sad. Makes no economic sense. Farming ain’t so bad when you compare it to a wasteland with NO jobs!
I was not necessarily referring to Fracking – a process which is fraught with problems – but to resource utilization in general. It is my opinion that in Montana, we have gone the opposite direction from what is happening in North Dakota meaning that we have erred too far on the side of the Environmentalists and stifled business and job oppurtunities that would have benefitted this state. I do believe a happy medium exists, just that we haven’t found it.
Well, I disagree, Moorcat. I think that Schweitzer has done all he could to promote resource extraction. There just ain’t that much left except dirty coal, and we DON’T want to be a resource colony. Why? Why don’t we want that?
Well, again it’s basic economics. A thing becomes more valuable the more rare it is. Hence, our landscape free of pollution with clean water IS our wealth. It IS our treasure. Period. It will provide all the jobs we need.
As the rest of the country (incluging N.D.) turns into one giant shithole, Montana is going to look more and more attractive to folks with money who want a clean, healthy, safe place to reside. Hence, we’re rich! Hell, I don’t mind working a job catering to rich dudes as long as it doesn’t destroy the environment.
But here’s the deal, Moorcat. Once the dirty rapacious bastards have their way with Montana and succeed in turning it into a giant toxic shithole, what’s going to be the point of living here? There is none. Hell, even I’LL move to texASS where a fella can still get a good job. And really, there is some nice country down there in the hill country, and land is a helluva lot cheaper than here.
So, Moorcat, I must respectfully disagree, amigo. The thing that makes this state3 treasurable IS our uniqueness. And of course, our decent water. When the Nodakers’ water turns to toxic shit, and they can’t drink it, nor shower in it, nor live with it, we can sell’em some! Hell, Canada is already BANKING on selling clean water to the rest of the world.
Bottom line, Moorcat, I would move to texASS before I’d take a toxic dump in a Montana stream. Shittin’ in one’s own nest is NOT good policy either economically nor morally. Look, if the coal companies have their way, they will STRIPmine the entire eastern third of the state, and build THIRTY coal fired plants all double the size of Colstrip three and four. If that happens, we’re done as a state. I can’t abide that. But that’s the reality we face.
What goes around comes around I guess. Those who are willing to dish it out should expect the same.
HEY, I like being lectured to about values by an old bald headed dude who is able to score with a young hot dish! For you see, I’m getting a leetle slim in the follicle dept. myself and a LOT old in the old dept! And as I always joke with my wife, I should have an affair while I still have some hair! Livingscam has proved once and for all that a dude can be a cue ball and STILL have a chance at gettin’ a young hotty! That gives bald dudes everwhere hope! And THAT’S a value we ALL us dudes can appreciate! Good job Neil! I vote for HOPE! The hope that if NEIL can score, ANY baldy can!
This Guy Livingstone, running for Governor: Is a Guy willing to look the other way when crimes against humanity are committed. Not only that but he WANTS to work with death dealers.
Sorry, But there are no American Values in People Like Neil! Anyone willing to look the other way, while protecting death dealers Like Gaddafi from real justice and the Hague Court… Demand we not look to them for future Montana prosperity!
My comment to Larry aside, I would have to agree that Livingston is a joke candidate. I see no traction for him here in the conservatives I am talking to. Right now it looks like sort of a race between Miller and Hill. In fact, I think it likely that Hill will take this area. Regardless, I don’t think any current Republican Candidate stands an icicle’s chance in Hell against Bullock. There is still too much infighting between the ultra right and the moderate right conservative communities.
http://screwingamerica.com/Livingstone.html