Bullock Takes the General

Steve Bullock pulled off a big deal today, naming as his running mate the commander of the armed forces in Montana, head of the National Guard, Brigadier General John Walsh.

Once again, a smart Democrat is making inroads into a traditionally Republican place–the military. Walsh will bring thousands of votes that normally would not go to a Democratic candidate. He is highly respected among the troops in Montana and has deep roots in the state.  Last year there had been some rumors about him possibly running for Congress this year, but this suits him better, I believe.

It’s not great news for the previous top military star in Montana, Ryan Zinke (who is also a Cowgirl commenter). Zinke is a former Navy Seal who got lots of ink in the wake of the Bin Laden raid  because it was conducted by Zinke’s former Seal Team Six, which he commanded in the 90s.  Zinke will unfortunately now have to take a back seat  to Walsh.  While Walsh shines, Zinke must deal with the humiliating antics of his boss, Neil Livingstone (a.k.a. 007), for a few months more before their ticket goes down the tubes in the June primary.

One must wonder why Zinke was not picked by Rick Hill.  Likely, it is because Zinke is a moderate who believes in a clean environment and has butted heads with Tea Party types. There is no longer any room in the GOP for that type of thing.   Consider, too, that in a bygone era, someone like Walsh might have been a natural Republican.  No more.  If you are a level-headed, educated and accomplished leader, you can no longer coexist within a political party that has become a bunch of apes.

I’d say the Walsh pick is a dagger to Republicans.   Walsh is not only Guard Commander but led a battalion in Iraq as well, so he’s a decorated veteran.  The last time we saw the GOP dealing with veterans, it was Denny Rehberg fighting for a statue of Jesus.  The time before that, it was when Rehberg’s goons at the Republican Party were busy secretly cancelling the voting rights of Montanans who were fighting in Iraq (and also of a decorated World War II veteran)–all because these folks were considered a risk to vote for Barack Obama.

Let’s assume for argument’s sake that Guard members and soldiers have historically voted 70-30 Republican.  That goes down to 50-50 for Bullock at a bare minimum, probably much more.  And Walsh brings tremendous geographic assets too, having ties to Great Falls, Butte and Helena.

Meanwhile, likely GOP nominees Rick Hill and Jon Sonju, both from the Flathead, neither with any compelling personal story, both with significant baggage, will simply have to grin and bear it.  They will be out of money in June, having fought off Stapleton and the others.

And so things look good for Bullock.



190 Comments on "Bullock Takes the General"

  1. This is absolutely fantasist. Fifty fifty on the military vote? Obviously, you have no experience with the service culture, or how most soldiers and other servicemembers view their role in respect to the larger society.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 8, 2012 7:33 PM at 7:33 PM |

      And you do???? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! Where did you serve again, Dave? I forget. Look, dude, fightin’ for CEEment JAYsus ain’t like stormin’ San Juan Hill!

  2. Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 8, 2012 1:45 PM at 1:45 PM |

    What a crown jewel for the Democrats!!!!! Woot! Walsh is an honest man, who will do Montana Proud! Well respected in Military circles, and amongst the general population, I believe we now have the governorship in the bag for 2012!

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  4. Bullock’s selection of Walsh reminded me of Ross Perot’s choice of Vice Admiral James Stockdale (ret) in 1992 and George Wallace’s choice of General Curtis LeMay (ret) in 1968. Walsh probably will work out better. At least his name doesn’t lend itself to slogans like “Bombs away with Curt LeMay.”

    But Bullock’s choice of a retired general tells me that Bullock has a very low opinion of current and former legislators and other elected officials.

    There is, of course, one other explanation for choosing a retired general. Wyoming’s doomsday bill failed, depriving our southern neighbor of, among other things, a possible aircraft carrier. That leaves Montana’s southern border less well protected. Perhaps our attorney general chose a shooting general as his running mate to warn potential invaders that while they don’t have to worry about an aircraft carrier, they do have to worry about an M-16 carrier.

    • bravo, mr. conner.

    • Nice shot, James.

    • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 8, 2012 3:29 PM at 3:29 PM |

      LOL! James The Intelligent funny man of the day!

    • I agree James. This will also help when we secede from the union making us the fifth? largest nuke nation in the world. We’ll need somebody to lead the charge as we protect our northern and southern flank unless, of course, we join with Alberta and British Columbia to form a really more perfect union with good health care and lots of brewskis. (We need a port so Vancouver will do unless we can get Washington to go along.) Well, one can dream.

  5. If Bullock has a low opinion of legislators, an i dont k ow that he does, I would kind of have to agree.

    We don’t really have much at this point that are good, certainly there are a handful that are..meh. That being said Kim Gillan would have been a great choice – except she’s running for Congress. Also Anna Whiting Sorrel would be a good option. Still I know nothing about Walsh so I will reserve judgement for now.

  6. There is nobody that compares with Walsh as a pick. I agree with CG it is a dagger. He is beyond reproach. That’s why the GOP is already flailing. They put out a press release accusing Walsh of appearing in a campaign photograph with government issue fatigues. That is really, really, really pathetic.

    • I’ve heard some try to make the argument that Bullock should have nominated someone who could then run for Lt. Gov. Essentially, that he should have anointed a woman who could then have an easy run as his successor. To these I would make two points. 1-The trick of appointing a Lt. that doesn’t really ad much to the ticket but could someday, in eight years, manage a run doesn’t work for Democrats. Montana is still a good deal red, and we don’t have this luxury. 2-The women I know would rather run and win on their own then sit around depend on a man to pick them as a running mate.

      • I should add, it doesn’t work because its so tough to run that the current ticket must be the only consideration, not a future one.

  7. The tag lines for Bullock’s selection of John Walsh should be mismanagement, misuse of taxpayer dollars, violating state laws, failure to supervise, ordering subordinates to disobey procedures in awarding government contracts, misleading state auditors and scapegoating.

    In July 2011, Montana state auditors severely criticized General John Walsh’s management of the Department of Military Affairs for : “. . . not having proper controls over contract management, inappropriate contractor payments and employees overstepping their purchasing authority. The audit questions $3.7 million in funding for Homeland Security grants.
    The department was also criticized for not being able to determine when a contractor is not paying prevailing wages. And audit committee members criticized DMA officials for not offering more information in their answers to the audit.”

    “Auditors said the agency does not have a system to track the contracts and their status, nor does have a way to maintain proof that contractors are insured.
    Another notable finding showed the Disaster and Emergency Services Division mangers broke with contracting rules in choosing the highest bidder on a contract without sufficient reason for doing so according to the advertised requirements. The contract for $22,500 to develop the state’s disaster and emergency plan went to Spartan Consulting of Helena, in a move the auditors said calls into question whether the agency can even charge the money to the federal grant program it intended to use for payment.
    In addition, the agency did not monitor the federal stimulus spending to make sure contractors were paying prevailing wages. And the Disaster and Emergency Service Divisions was wrongly paying some employees with federal money even though the employees work on state programs.
    The agency also mishandled federal Department of Homeland Security money. The agency didn’t award money fast enough, and didn’t award as much of it to local governments as was required, the audit found”

    Walsh and his DMA department tried to cover up the violation of illegalities and mismanagement by scapegoating a former employee.

    “A former Department of Military Affairs (DMA) employee wrote to members of a state panel, saying she was ordered by those higher up in the chain of command not to follow procedures in awarding government contracts to the lowest bidder and is now being used as a scapegoat in an audit.”
    “. . . Byrd wrote. ‘What was presented to you during the audit committee meeting was false and meant to mislead and distract from management issues within the agency.’ “

    It could have been worse. The State audit determined that because the department was out of compliance with federal funding requirements there is a possibility that the state could have to return the match funds that they are responsible for, or the federal government could deny funds in the future.

    Why would Bullock pick a Lieutenant Governor running mate with such a disastrous record of mismanagement and violation of federal and state laws? Perhaps Walsh was the only one left on the list after so many other potential LG candidates turned him down.

    • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 8, 2012 6:43 PM at 6:43 PM |

      No Pogo, that is typical Military actions. And the General took total responsibility, which is something a GOP General wont do period!

      I am gonna blame a lot of this BS on the way the GOP ran the military for eight years under Bush! Accounting got very sloppy on all parts of our military when Prez Texan decided to infuse so many Private Contractors into the war effort, it was hard to figure out when the military’s job ended and the private sector began, when it came to procurement!

      Obama’s, been cleaning up the same Contracting messes from JSOC all the way down to the Corp of Army engineers. This all came about because Chenney want to make a profit off of death for Haliburton… you knew this existed for years, and we are only now starting to get hold of a mess, Bush, and his crony friend Chenny started!

      The fact of the matter here, is it is being cleaned up! No thanks to the GOP!

      • Norma,

        You can’t blame Bush or the GOP for this one. Walsh serves as Director of the Montana Department of Military Affairs – a State agency. http://montanadma.org/

        These were Montana state auditors investigating misdeeds, mismanagement and violations of state and federal regulations in a Montana agency directed and supervised by Walsh in 2011 that he had overseen since 2008.

    • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 9, 2012 11:49 AM at 11:49 AM |

      So your telling me, that the Montana National Guard is somehow not attached to the rest of the countries military?? Really?

      This kind of stuff has been happening all over the Nation, or did you forget that Bush tried to hide the monies of war off the nations books since the fool put up the mission accomplished banner for Afghanistan! If you remember the Military just started sorting out the body parts that were put in a landfill from 9-11 the story broke late last year, and only now have they been able to come up with the details!


      Who’s watch was that on? Obamas? I think not!

      What about The Army ousting top supervisors of Arlington National Cemetery in the wake of a blistering report that found some graves had been mismarked


      This was a standard theme of the BUSH/Chenny fiasco, where the top executive in the white House decided it was okay to hold the military harmless from eroding regulations & responsibility for years! the General walked into a mess that was already there.

  8. Chuck Johnson ‏ @c_sjohnson: If no other Democrat files for governor, Steve Bullock would have to forfeit $77,000 in money raised for general election. #MTPOL

  9. larry jent dropped out.

  10. wanzenried?

  11. A vote for Wanzenried could be a vote for cannabis rights and LGBTQ in Montana!

  12. Wanzenried dropped out.

  13. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 8, 2012 8:27 PM at 8:27 PM |

    “Livingscam’s got a SEAL. We need US a gawddam SEAL! Or at LEAST a military man! Now where we gonna find us a military man? This campaign needs a boost! Somebody find me a guy in uniform that wants to be a Lt. Guv. And make DAMN sure that he outranks Livingscam’s SEAL! Hell, we don’t need no damn trained seal. We need us a GENERAL! Yes sir. THAS what we need!”

    (from deep inside the Bullock campaign’s nerve center. discussions about the lt. guv. and the video follows:)

  14. 50 – 50 military vote? Cowgirl, you must have renewed your MJ card and toked up. Not a chance. Keep on counting your votes, ladies. Get confident and complacent, just the way we like you.

    You guys don’t know the first thing about the military or military voters.

    “All right, they’re on our left, they’re on our right, they’re in front of us, they’re behind us…they can’t get away this time” – Lewis B. “Chesty” Puller, USMC

  15. well I do, I served as voter advocate in the Navy….thats the person who makes sure your registered to vote, get absentee ballots, etc. I found there was over half the people I helped were Dems…while unthinking grunts might vote repukes, but for the thinking branches of the Military – Navy, Air Force and the Coast Guard – they usually vote Democratic or 3rd party….so go spread your bs on the field where it belongs……

    • Navy Davy, it appears you are trying to take over my name. Just keep in mind there is only ONE Crazy Joe, just like there is only one Tigger. The one and only Crazy Joe is of course our dear friend Crazy Joe Balyeat from Gallatin County. I picked my handle in honor of him, though I am not him. (Or he is not me?) Either way, I never served in the Navy, though I was the voter information dude for my Army unit. And the unit was 99.5% Republican, so go sell your “Democrats are in the military” song and dance to someone else, because we know better.

  16. I don’t know how crazy joes nae appeared where my name should be!!!

  17. Seems like a smart pick. This guy does exude experience, credibility, and leadership skills. When you compare him to Bill Gallagher or Jon Sonju you have to chuckle.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 9, 2012 10:16 AM at 10:16 AM |


    • Not so smart of pick Casie. Jon Sonju helps manage a successful world class manufacturing company in Montana. John Walsh mismanaged a Montana State agency so badly that Montana state auditors said it “left the door open for potential fraud”. The audit found Walsh had not properly trained his staff, did a poor job managing federal money, failed to document delivery of services, mishandled Department of Homeland Security money and found that after spending $19 million in federal grant money during his time running the agency, he didn’t know how many contracts he had out to vendors.

      “A recent audit of the Montana Department of Military Affairs found that the agency did a poor job of managing federal grant money; the investigation, led by legislative auditors, revealed that the agency had spent approximately $19 million in federal grant money over the past three years but did not monitor subcontractors;the agency is so badly organized that it could not even account for the number of active contracts that it currently had with vendors leaving the door open for potential fraud

      A recent audit of the Montana Department of Military Affairs found that the agency did a poor job of managing federal grant money.The agency is so badly organized that it could not even account for the number of active contracts that it currently had with vendors.”

      Walsh has a poor record of experience, credibility and leadership skills in State government. It’s the Republicans who are chuckling Casie.

  18. Well I guess it’s a good enough pick that republicans are scared, seeing as how you felt the need to post some random bs From an unknown entity about how they supposedly don’t know how many contracts they have? This ridiculous — all that stuff is public information.

    • While I actually like the guy, don’t be so quick to discount Pogo’s information. He is making more of it than it is, but the truth behind it is somewhat unsettling. The Department of Defense has a long history of screwing up appropriations and it seems that General Walsh’s department was no exception. Personally, I don’t think any of the articles have linked this directly to Walsh, but as a Military Commander, he will take responcibility. That is the way of the Service. I also expect that General Walsh will fix the things found in the audit in record time. You NEVER piss on a General unless you want to find yourself mired in more feces than you can dig out of in your natural lifetime and the people responcible for these things will be looking for a new backside for a while.

      What Pogo fails to point out is that Walsh is uniformly veiwed with respect, and honor by a large number of people in Montana. I haven’t personally met him, but I know people that have (I know a lot of people that work with him regularly). All of them say nothing but good things about him. I think this is probably a plus for Bullock, not that he needed one.

  19. Random BS? Here are a few more sources Casie:

    Montana Department of Military Affairs gets poor marks in audit
    Department of military affairs audit finds several problems
    : http://ravallirepublic.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_6ea2547e-a6a7-11e0-8f0f-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1oe0nQaDy
    Montana Department of Military Affairs gets poor marks in audit
    HELENA – A former Department of Military Affairs (DMA) employee wrote to members of a state panel, saying she was ordered by those higher up in the chain of command not to follow procedures in awarding government contracts to the lowest bidder and is now being used as a scapegoat in an audit.”

    Finally, check out the Montana State Audit Report

    The department does not have adequate internal
    controls to ensure it complies with federal regulations
    for four different federal programs. The first five
    report sections discuss where the department should
    implement effective internal controls. We identified
    five instances where the department did not comply
    with federal regulations. Three of these instances
    relate to the department not monitoring any Homeland
    Security subrecipients; not providing required
    Homeland Security funds to local entities, instead
    spending those local funds on state activities; and
    charging personal services to federal programs for
    which the employees did not work.
    In addition we found the department made a
    significant accounting error, resulting in a qualified
    opinion on its fiscal year 2010 Schedule of Changes in
    Fund Balances opinion.”
    Here are some of the key highlights of the audit report:
    “The following five report sections discuss instances where the department did not have
    adequate internal control over its federal programs.”
    “The department did not monitor any of its Homeland Security subrecipients in
    fiscal years 2009 or 2010.
    The department’s internal controls over prevailing wages are not adequate to
    detect noncompliance.
    Unallowable Personal Services Costs
    The Disaster and Emergency Services Division internal controls over charging
    time are not adequate, resulting in unallowable personal services costs.
    The department did not have adequate internal controls to ensure the Army
    National Guard appropriately paid expenditures after the grant period closed.
    The department does not have adequate documentation of its internal controls
    to ensure it does not contract with suspended or debarred architects and
    The department did not follow state procurement policy when awarding a
    contract resulting in questioned costs of $22,500.
    The department did not obligate and spend funds in accordance with federal
    guidelines, resulting in questioned costs.
    The Unexploded Ordinance program personnel are not aware of all
    administrative requirements resulting in non-compliance with state policy and
    inadequate program internal controls.
    The department did not record required accruals and recorded other accruals
    in error.
    The department’s internal controls over retainage are not adequate.”

  20. Walsh failed to “assume responsibility” and resolve key problems brought up in the audit for years ending in 2008 so don’t assume he is/was going to fix the new problems he helped create.

    From the 2008 Audit Report – “Prior Audit Recommendations – Our office performed the department’s financial-compliance audit for the two fiscal years ended June 30, 2008. The report contained eight recommendations, of which the department implemented six and did not implement two. The recommendations not implemented concern subrecipient monitoring which is discussed again on page 5, and obligation of Homeland Security funds which is discussed again on page 10.”

    The audit report covered “the Two Fiscal Years Ended June 30, 2010”. Walsh took control of this department in September 2008 and he was the one who said he would fix all of the problems brought up in the 2008 audit report. He didn’t. And when he was hit with a highly critical audit that brought up some of the same criticisms he tried to scapegoat one of his staff.

    “A former Department of Military Affairs (DMA) employee wrote to members of a state panel, saying she was ordered by those higher up in the chain of command not to follow procedures in awarding government contracts to the lowest bidder and is now being used as a scapegoat in an audit.”
    “. . . Byrd wrote. ‘What was presented to you during the audit committee meeting was false and meant to mislead and distract from management issues within the agency.’ “

    Walsh may be a “nice guy” Moorcat, but he is not a competent manager. Either Bullock did a poor job of vetting Walsh or he just doesn’t care about mismanagement, fraud or scapegoating subordinates.

    • Two points here. You have failed to prove that Walsh is the cause of the mismanagement and likewise you go to far accusing Walsh of fraud or scapegoating subordinates. Fraud is a crime and accusing someone of a crime without due process can be…. painful. As far as the “scapegoating” accusations, there is no proof in any of the articles you like that this has occured and the person who’s “testimony” you are relying on never identified General Walsh as the person she felt “scapegoated” her. This is a simple case of you not wanting Walsh to be seen in a good light and you will work incessently – even “bending” the facts of the case – to see him discredited.

      Having dealt with both the Military supply system and appropriations from inside the Military, I am not as concerned about these allogations are you are. Nor do I believe that these allogations will cause any problem for either General Walsh or Bullock except with those that wouldn’t have voted for either in the first place.

    • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 9, 2012 1:42 PM at 1:42 PM |

      POGO your making a big deal out of something the Bush crowd put in place, and it is now being cleaned up! The reason you GOP are scared is the Military is no Longer with the GOP! I still remember the seven American Generals who stood on the stage with Obama during the 2007 Democratic convention. JSOC has never been used with as much precision, as Obama has used them, and Our military is proud to serve under such a man!

      I have no Qualms with Steves Pick, for LT. Gov. Even though you do for whatever particular GOP process your hoping to spread propaganda wise! The Man didn’t just sprout stars overnight on his shoulders in 2008! It is very hard to become a general in any military career.

      This procurement fiasco is directly related to Private contractors mostly and civilian handling of it! Your pushing the envelope, while the mess is already being cleaned up. And even though the General had no specific ties to any of this… he took responsibility as a leader!

      You know George Washington, had it really tough in his Military career as well. During the French/Indian wars Washington only won 1 Battle! Washington had lost a battle to the French at his hastily erected Fort Necessity in 1754. Also Serving as a militia colonel under British General Edward Braddock in 1755, the Virginian had fought gallantly at Fort Duquesne, but the British lost anyway Some how he still managed to become the ultimate supreme commander helping in winning the revolutionary war, and becoming president! Your Picking on a guy who did far less wrong, then our first official president did… just doesn’t say much.

      In my Family, there is not a military family member or friend my age who was in our Military that thinks what Bush and Chenny did to military procurement was a good thing!

      Those two men, did what they could to raise Private Armies in this country, and ruin our military! Glad they are gone!

  21. Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 9, 2012 11:57 AM at 11:57 AM |

    All Private contractors , all set up by the Bush administrations Procurement Ideas, again the fine detail of where military ends, and civilian business steps in!

    Trust me I will be blaming Bush for a long time, for the mess he put our military in… bringing in Private contractors and mercenaries instead of using the army corp of engineers, Peace corp, UNICEF, and red cross lost this nation a lot of credibility with other nations!

    • The Tutsi’s in Rwanda are especially appreciative of UNICEF’s and the Peace Corps’s efforts when they were slaughtered to the tune of 800,000 while the UN dithered and the international community did nothing.

      To lump all contractors into the same evil “Bushian” neocon cabal is both silly and wrong. But thanks for letting us all know that no matter how bad Schweitzer, Bullock or Obama screw up, it’ll be “Bush’s fault.”

      Can you at least enter this decade???

  22. Walsh is in charge of the agency. All key personnel report to him. He is responsible for supervision of his staff. As head of the agency he received and took responsibility for implimenting the 2008 audit recommendation. As the head of an agency he has a responsibility to ensure federal and state proceedures are being followed. This doesn’t need to be proved.

    There is an interesting post over at the Montana Standard site that I will have to check into that makes an interesting point about Walsh:

    “John Walsh and the Bullock campaign need to be careful how they categorize John Walsh’s military rank. John Walsh was only a Brigader General in the Montana State Guard as appoint by Gov. Schweitzer; he was never federally recognized as a General Officer by the Army or the Department of Defense. This was due in large part to a Department of Defense Inspector General investigation in 2009 and 2010 that looked into Walsh’s unethical use of his military office in solicitation for a private organization. Not to mention the recent audit in to thousands of unaccounted for federal dollars in homeland security grant money misused by John Walsh and his team in the Department of Emergency Services. My hope is that the Bullock campaign has done their diligence into Walsh’s recent military service. Walsh’s entrance into the political landscape will mandate that Montanas understand and hold him accountable for his time as Montana’s Adjutant General.

    Read more: http://mtstandard.com/news/state-and-regional/bullock-walsh-experienced-leader/article_2d7432ec-69a7-11e1-84a0-0019bb2963f4.html?mode=comments#ixzz1oeLx5NX4

    There could be a lot more to this story Moorcat.

    • I never said that there couldn’t be more to this story. I do find it interesting that you are not quoting an article (though you represent it as such) but rather a comment made by an unidentified person without any source reference. Again, you fail to prove anything. All you have done is make assumptions and accusations without any real proof.

      I think this will definitely be a situation that needs to be watched but, again, I am less than convinced of either the validity of your accusations or your need to villify General Walsh.

      • Trust me, Moorcat. There IS more to this story. We’ve been looking into it for quite some time and the depth of corruption is almost unfathomable, in my opinion. That is all I’m going to say at this moment.

      • I said the quoted material was “a post” and did not use the term “article”. I also provided a link that shows that it was a reader’s “post” to a news article. There was no intent to mislead. My apologies if that wasn’t clear enough.

        I am curious about the statements in the “post” about a reported/rumored Department of Defense Inspector General investigation of Walsh. The State of Montana audit and several quoted news organizations made note of Walsh’s department showing favortism to specific companies by not following state procedures and awarding government contracts to companies that were not the lowest bidder as required by state law.

        It will be interesting if see what comes out in further news stories.

    • Thats because he is probably the same GOP stooge who is going around to every newspaper and leaving that in the comment section. Its in the IR and every other newspaper article about it too. What a coincidence.

  23. We should thank our little apparatchik from Crossroads GPS for the heads-up.

    Good to get it all out before the primary where it can be vetted and rebutted well ahead of the primary.

  24. Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 9, 2012 3:27 PM at 3:27 PM |

    Let them Whine.

    All this outrage from the GOP, as they tried to Bury this story, that originally broke last fall:

    And then all the Mismanagement about graves at Arlington, all done on Bushes watch!


    No furor from the GOP on those issues in this state, But General Walsh hooks up with Bullock and…. OMG!

    • Norma, While I do not want to lessen the import of the links you provide (I had already seen them both on CNN), this smacks too much of “Well they did if first” for me. This has nothing to do with Walsh and I find that kind of argument stale to say the least.

      If Walsh is mixed up with some questionable things, it needs to be investigated (not the witch hunt that Pogo seems to be on). If he is not the right person for the campaign, than Bullock should act now. If this is all BS smears hurled by disgruntled GOP operatives than, again, it should be resolved quickly.

      • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 9, 2012 10:27 PM at 10:27 PM |

        No Disrespect Moorcat,

        I say it is a MTGOP witch hunt. Instead of allowing investigators the chance to do their job in a nonpartial way… People like Pogo like to infer guilt because it is an election year. The General in a magnanimous way, has already excepted the Blame… even though so far, it has been proven time and time again he wasn’t part of it!

        It is pretty plain to me, that a guy that only comments on this blog, when they are pushing the idea of slime on Democrats lives in a pretty big glass house himself!

        I understand your opinion Moorcat, I respect it in fact but the farthest the stone goes in my Hand is to my pocket, during this investigation After all, I might still have use of it!

        • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 9, 2012 10:42 PM at 10:42 PM |

          Here’s the problem I have, Norma. I want my candidates to have some real COURAGE! Look at what Schweitzer did. He actually reached across the aisle and selected a Republican as a running mate! That was one of the most courageous political acts in recent memory. And he caught hell for it. But it was the right thing to do.

          For the life of me I can’t figure out why Bullock went with a military figure! Just like church and state, I WANT seperation between politics and military! Was there REALLY not someone out there who would have been a good choice who isn’t in the military? What the hell. Are we NOW the Soviet Union? Or Latin America??

          Walsh may be a great guy and all, but serving in the military provides LITTLE real world training for politics, especially as long a time as this guy was in. You see, in the military a general gives orders and his underlings follow. In politics, the general gives orders and gets the finger! BIG difference. And there should be.

          I was taken aback flabbergasted by this choice. And if I was, I’m sure others were too. Of course I will still vote for Bullock, but he’s gonna have MUCH more to prove now.

          • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 10, 2012 7:35 AM at 7:35 AM |

            I Worked for some Lawyers that put together the civilian American legal corp, who themselves went to helped Bosnia sort out the mess they were in. I was told this time and time again, by those who came back! If it wasn’t for the American military and the generals working in that theatre, shit wouldn’t have gotten done. Our generals have been trained in all aspects of putting together infrastructure, and understanding what neededs to be fix, and up and running for people sooner then most politicians do!

            Generals more then most people wish to believe… know a lot more about how government works then most civilians, and they understand human conditions better then most…. I see nothing wrong with a soldier taking on the plow of public service.

            Are you guys forgetting Joe Sestak? A pretty damn good guy in politics, who was a Navy admiral! Are you really gonna start freaking cuz the guys got military experience? Really! What about Eisenhower? Didn’t wear 5 stars before he became president?

            Don’t go all black helicopter on me Larry, we need you and people, who know how to cut through red tape in this country as soon as possible! I rather Bullock reach outside of Politics in Montana to get things done! Walsh seems like that guy!

            • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 10, 2012 9:23 AM at 9:23 AM |

              Maybe I’ve seen a leetle more SNAFU than you! It ain’t black helicopter, Norma. Allow me.

              I had a chat with Barfus just prior to the start of Georgie’s Orgy of Slaughter for Big Oil and Haliburton. I explained to Barfus that Iraq was gonna be a HUGE shitstorm of a f*ck up just like Nam. And that it hadn’t hardly even been thirty years since we left Nam!

              Mini didn’t deny that exactly, but what he said was that the majority of Montanans supported the war. Think about that for a moment. He was NOT concerned about doing what was right. He was NOT concerned about innocents being slaughtered. He was NOT concerned about the morality of an illegal, evil war. His ONLY concern was what the majority wanted!

              THAT is our reality!

              I was all fired up to get in his face, but when I confronted him, I saw a broken man, a shell of a man, a pitiable man. Therefore, what could I do? I simply walked away knowing that the slaughter of innocents to come was inevitable because of the lack of courage of our elected officials.

              Now, don’t get me wrong. There IS great courage among SOME military leaders. The Marine who tried valiantly (can’t remember his name. Scott Walker maybe?) to explain that there were NO WMDs in Iraq! But the poor guy was vilified. NEVER have I seen greater courage than that of that Marine.

              But his efforts were in vain.

              Again, I see this pick of a lt. guv as safe, non-threatening, political. I would have expected more from Bullock. I mean, the guy took on the corpos but retreated to safety to find a lt. guv. NOT the most courageeeous move but probably the safest! I would have liked to see him pick a woman or a Native American.

              And finally, I LOATHE the military industrial complex! Do I hate the troops? Not at all. But hell, even THEY are starting to figure things out! It’s getting harder to recruit even poor, despertate kids into the military, for the returning vets are spilling the beans about what bullshit it is. I mean, really. If Barfus REALLY wanted to help the military, he would’a fought like HELL to prevent Bush from sending troops back four and five times for God’s sake! I know many kids who were there four and five times. They’re in tough shape!

              And finally, a true story. When the Dixie Chicks’s movie came out, I went to Hastings to rent it. They didn’t have it available for rent. I asked why. I was told that GF was a military town and they didn’t want to offend the military. THEY DIDN’T WANT TO OFFEND THE F*CKING MILITARY! What the F*CK is THAT all about?

              It’s time, time to wean ourselves OFF the militaristic mindset. I want to be able to watch ANY GODDAMNED MOVIE I please without prior approval from the military!

              And lastly, I highly dispute your contention that military leaders know best about how to govern. Sorry, but that does not compute. Maybe in a dictatorship, but not in MY America. (Eisenhower was a shitty president BTW)

              Sorry for the rant, but it’s just one vets perspective.

              • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 10, 2012 9:29 AM at 9:29 AM |

                Scott Ritter. My bad. True American hero to the core, and Corp.


              • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 10, 2012 9:33 AM at 9:33 AM |

                Another American hero Marine. They’re out there.


                Being a warrior is NOT about killing. It’s about being a human being!

                Ritter, O’Keefe are human beings. And human beings do NOT kill for no reason. Only shitbags like bush and his dick, cheney, and all the neocons do!

              • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 10, 2012 12:19 PM at 12:19 PM |

                Another vet I like a whole lot.


                Look, when the Iraq vets finally realize that THEY got f*cked just like all the OTHER previous vets, they’re gonna react. And they’re gonna want stuff. And then, they’ll be labeled unpatriotic terrorists or some such! They will be the new Bonus Army! And they’ll have allies just like the miners in Butte who STOLE a freakin’ train and headed to D.C. to support the Bonus Army!

                War has many, many unintended consequences. And maybe, just maybe, some will join up with the radical enviro movement and start kickin’ some corporate fascist ass! Stranger things have happened!

                • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 10, 2012 12:30 PM at 12:30 PM |

                  For the young dudes who might read this site. THIS is what they don’t teach you in high school!


                  p.s. Smedley Butler was probably our greatest military leader. The dude was NO bullshit. He told the TRVTH all the time! And he saved the country when graddaddy Bush tried to oust Roosevelt in a coup. The Bush Crime Family have been nazi shitbags since the first time they stole their first dollar! Inbred too.

        • Norma, I know a lot of people that worked in DMA. I’d have to agree with Larry that being a soldier doesn’t necessarily mean you’re meant for politics. Military leadership principles emphasize integrity and credibility, etc.

          There is a massive amount of corruption in DMA that General Walsh had no control over but that he was privy to. He had to be little more than a yes man for Schweitzer.

          DES (which Walsh oversaw) is the real problem. They stole/mismanaged so much money and they have ruined so many people’s lives that this is going to get much worse. They have as many lawsuits coming as the VA does, and the VA somehow just became front page news for the IR.

          We’ll see if the IR is consistent and looks into all the lawsuits against DES….

          • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 10, 2012 7:16 AM at 7:16 AM |

            “Military leadership principles emphasize integrity and credibility, etc.”

            Sorry, M, but I must call bullshit on that. I TOO was in the military! The ONLY thing the military emphasizes is CYA! (cover your ass!) In other words, don’t get CAUGHT screwin’ up! Oh sure, you can screw off all you want, just don’t get caught! For THAT would endanger your military retirement!

            Hell, who knows, I left the military in ’73. Maybe it’s changed. But I doubt it! The military is NOT the real world! It’s a jobs program. That’s all, and a HUGE method of transfering wealth upwards to outfits like Blackwater, Xe, Haliburton, etc. I would MUCH prefer that THAT money go to REAL jobs programs and economic development!

            Hell, take a look at the news today. We’ve got Mini Barfus ready to go all ALAMO on somebody’s ass if the gubmint tries to eliminate the worthless, senseless missiles from Malmstrom!

            THIS is what I mean by courage! We need a politico WILLING to tell that TRVTH and STOP pandering! If we DON’T reign in the military industrial complex, we’re finished! We’re fifth century Spain! Hell, we SHOULD all be speaking Spanish if Spain wouldn’t’a overreached! But now, it looks as if we’ll all be speaking ChinESE thanks to the dipshits running our country pandering to the MI!

            And you just KNOW the country is in deep doo doo when you’ve got Mini Barfus and Dopey Reeburp as experts on arms control! Yippers! The morons are running the asylum!

            What you NEVER read about in the GF Spitoon is ALL the retired military generals who constantly call for the reduction and elimination of ALL nuclear weapons! And scaling back our forces! For every dollar spent on defense is a dollar NOT spent on the country!

          • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 10, 2012 7:39 AM at 7:39 AM |

            Stow it dude, save it for someone else that wants to hear rumors, We have already had enough money wasted on the last two goofy conspiracy theories the GOP put out there in Montana! Lets see some evidence first!

        • “. . . it has been proven time and time again he(Walsh) wasn’t part of it!”

          Care to share a source or some facts to back that up Norma?

  25. Pogo, quit wasting your time with these lemmings. They will follow Bullock and Walsh all the way to the unemployment line in November. You cracked the case, and sooner or later they will all run off the Cliffs of Insanity because they didn’t vett Walsh before picking him. In the meantime, this video fully explains the ins and outs and what-have-you’s of the allegations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbJ-4vuffhI

    • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 10, 2012 7:46 AM at 7:46 AM |

      So 24 straight Months of Jobs growth, and all you GOP can think of… is hoping the economy goes south again. This is why no one should trust you republican tools, you would see your family starve by Tea party decree, just so you can get that…. that Black man out of what you perceive is your office! Will its our office too bud! I thank goodness the rest of the world isn’t as dumb as you are!

      • Black tea partier Kenneth Gladney, (who was severely beaten by SEIU thugs in St. Louis 2009) would look at your comment as not only stupid and idiotic, but completely corrupt.

        Why does your bigotry blind you from the facts so? Just look him up.

        • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 10, 2012 12:22 PM at 12:22 PM |

          Victim much? You were on a roll, M, until this one. You Acornholed youself with it. You should’a left well enuff alone.

        • Thanks, sturdevant. I think we all needed the laugh.

        • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 10, 2012 2:37 PM at 2:37 PM |

          I am SEIU member, and their is as many union members as there is citizens in Montana!

          It was filmed bud? I saw what really happened which was nothing but pushing and shoving!

          There was already a union member sprawled out on the ground with somebody standing over him. No explanation of how he got there (pushed, shoved, punched?) Then Gladney is pulled to the ground by somebody wearing a union shirt. But instead of Gladney being beaten and punched, Gladney bounces right back on his feet in approximately two seconds and the scuffle ends.

          The only real mystery from the incident is why Tea Party member Gladney, who’s seen up-close after the brief encounter walking around and talking to people and who appears to be injury-free, then decided to go to the hospital to treat injuries to his “knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face.” All that from a two-second fall to the pavement?


          Gladney, is a false victim dude! And the verdict in the courtroom against the SEIU came back not guilty!

          • So YOUR defense is that they were only “pushing and shoving” a black man???????

            Oh my God. I think you are a racist.

          • As far as verdicts go, I again think you’re full of it.

            So let KKK members show up at polling places with night sticks and intimidate people. And when the U.S. DOJ dismisses the court case on it, let’s all pretend that it never happened.

            That’s exactly what happened in Pennsylvania with the Black Panthers. I am amazed that you can now somehow say that BLACK TEA PARTIERS are allowed to be subject to only a little bit of “pushing and shoving.”

            Sounds like they’re 4/5 of a person or something. Oh wait!!1

            • As far as verdicts go, Norma is absolutely correct, you dumbass. Both union members were acquitted of the misdemeanor charges. It took a jury less than a hour to come back with the verdict. So answer this, dumbass, why is it so important to you to hide the truth?

              You’re not worth arguing with at all, liar.

          • Norma, this really isn’t worth arguing about. It’s more NotBrightNotSmart’s BS, this time rising from beyond the grave …

            Gladney has already been exposed as a professional victim looking to profit off the dumbasses in the GOP, like sturdevant. When the video was played in court, there were chuckles from everyone including the jury, considering the overblown rhetoric coming from the prosecution. Savage beating? Hardly.

            Seriously, it isn’t worth arguing with this retard. Point and laugh.

            • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 10, 2012 3:43 PM at 3:43 PM |

              Agreed! he doesn’t know me, or my SEIU Union at all! We save lives no matter the party affiliation, we are health professionals!

  26. For all those who read these comments:

    NOTE that Pogo whats-his-name is using actual documentation and facts, while those disagreeing are using little more than Bush hate speech and stories about Arlington Cemetery that have NO bearing this whole thing.

    The disparity is telling. One set of facts deals with Montana and the other deals with people who can’t handle those facts, (but yet still have nothing constructive to say).

    • No.. what Pogo is using is unsubstantiated accusations and “comments” for anonomous sources to try to impune General Walsh. If there has been wrong doing, then it will be investigated and litigated. To try to conduct legal proceedings in the comment section of this blog is just silly. I do not discount that there may be some hanky panky going on. I don’t know the whole story and it certainly is unlikely to be told in these comments. What I do know is that General Walsh has done a lot of really good work and the people I personally know that have had contact with him all – universally – like him.

      I have not used “Bush Hate Speech” nor have I told any stories about Arlington Cemetery so your comment fails and it obviously hyperbole, M Sturevant. Since I am one of the primary persons questioning Pogo, you have failed – as pogo has – the test of integrity. At least Pogo has managed to make his case without disparaging the people discussing the issue with him. Point in his favor…

      • impugn Bush.

      • Sally Byrd is not anonymous. When Monique Lay was illegally let go from DES by Ed Tinsley, the General knew about it and did nothing, (after all, they needed to make more room for Schweitzer cronies). Julia Fenwick was also illegally let go when she reported on some of this corruption.

        All have filed complaints or lawsuits; there are more an more are coming. None of this is anonymous. You need to check your facts.

  27. Let me get this straight , a Republican legislature conducts an “audit” of a democratic administration and finds something they don’t like? Shocking! Those “reports” are a joke.

    • Exactly.

      “Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.”
      ― Thomas Jefferson

    • The Dems actually controlled what was a joint committee. That Trip guy from Great Falls was the chairman. So, again, check your facts before you spout off untrue garbage.

  28. Say I’ve got a question, I heard it was illeagl to do political campaiging in a military uniform, is this true?

    • If he were still on active duty.

    • You have to include a disclaimer that says the wearing of the uniform does not imply that the US Dept of Defense supports the candidate.

    • If is against the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) to be in uniform when advocating for a politician or political event. That being said, it would depend on what “status” the General was in and what type of event it is.

      Most likely it will be similar to the current gov’s ethics violations i.e. Murray should be able to take care of it and make it disappear.

  29. paul is correct…

  30. For anyone interested, here is a link to the State audit: http://leg.mt.gov/content/Publications/Audit/Report/10-25.pdf

    • Here is a photo of Pogo’s pawn shop marquee in Columbia Falls:


      • To start off, I don’t live in Columbia Falls and don’t own a pawn shop. I have been civil in my discussions on this blog Larry and have tried to be civil to those who comment here. To imply that I am a racist reflects only on your own lapse of integrity.

        • Like a pseudonymous troll has integrity: I have none and freely admit it when it comes to my party’s chances to reverse red state collapse.

          • You freely admit that you don’t have integrity?

            • Getting my party’s base out to vote is sisyphean: the Beast at Tanagra.

              Would I have loved to see Denise Juneau as our party’s choice for Governor? Yep.

              Do I wish there wasn’t a pending holy war coming to Montana? Yep.

              Do I wish AG Bullock would stand up to the Feds instead of cracking down on voter-initiated economic development opportunities? Yep.

              Do I wish that the Helena National Forest wasn’t collapsing? Yep.

              I am a radicalized Democrat because there is no other choice for me.

              Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.

              • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 11, 2012 5:55 AM at 5:55 AM |

                The favorite song of that pawn shop owner? Well, that would be:

                Meet Me Down at the Pawn Shop and I’ll Kiss You Under the Balls!

                The Teabag Anthem!

                Hard to beleive that sign. The inbreds are getting bold!

        • I have to step up and defend Pogo, even though I disagree with him. He has tried to keep it civil and the only one he has really insulted was me (though even the insult was somewhat civil compared to most here). There are plenty of other targets here that have refused to remain civil. While I disagree with the actual arguments, I don’t disagree with the way Pogo has conducted himself.

          • Moorcat……I don’t recall when i did (was it something I posted in the past) but please accept my apologies if I insulted you.

      • Larry, I will back up everything Pogo’s saying. You have a serious problem on your hands. Walsh made all of his dirt political when Bullock decided to ask him to run. The real issue here NOW is that Walsh was directed to sit by turn a blind eye to massive corruption, and he did. Numerous times.

        Tinsley is the real power in DES and Tinsley is doing the governor’s dirty work. Lucky for honest people, Tinsley is not smart enough to cover up all his corruption; he takes the bull in a chinashop approach.

        Just read all the lawsuits and court transcripts that are out there. Pogo is correct.

  31. Larry, I really have to ask. Do you have any idea what you’re talking about? Have you even read the Associated Press article on DMA’s problems or have you read the Legislative Audit Report (again, it was chaired by Tripila or however you spell his name)

    You spouting of a feeble, dishonest defense of an individual you know nothing about is embarrassing to democrats. Bullock should have known of this. Bullock should drop Walsh fast and do damage control or they are going to get slaughtered.

  32. Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 10, 2012 2:44 PM at 2:44 PM |

    If Pogo really intended to be civil, he would have wait until the investigation is over… not making crap up by injecting his Opinion…

    • Which investigation are you referring to? Legislative Audit is over. The DHS Office of the Inspector General report is over. And they tried to stonewall the findings in that report something fierce, publication of the findings were/are delayed, etc.

      Regarding all the lawsuits, they will be trying to settle them to keep people quiet.

      In one case, they intimidated the individual so bad that they tried to make up bogus charges against them.

      But we’ll get to all that soon enough…

  33. So again, you either need to clarify what you’re talking about or just apologize to Pogo.

    • Or get an ice cream, or ride a bike, or go to a romantic moving picture show, or tell you to fuck right the hell off.

      If there is one thing I cannot stand it is some smug asshole offering a false choice to another as if they have that power. You aren’t a GOD, sTURDivant.

  34. Rob, you have really elevated the discourse of this discussion. I don’t need to dignify your idiocy with any further response. And if I do choose to, it’s only because it’s such a nice sunny day and it’s relaxing to watch hypocrites squirm.

    • Hypocrite? Kindly prove your claim. On the other hand, you challenge Larry Kurtz about integrity while foisting lies about Gladney. That would be very evident hypocrisy, sTURDevant. Am I a hypocrite? Please do show me how.

      You pretend that I should agree with your values of ‘elevating the discourse’. I don’t, because you obviously don’t agree with that. You called someone else a “racist” because she disagreed with a lie you yourself told. No no no, little liar. You are lying, and accusing Norma and others based only on that lie. And still you think you get to call the shots around here? You are making a very poor showing of being a manipulative asshole, but still think you’re all that and then some. Sorry, sTURDevant. Many people can recognize lies when they see them.

      Now, do tell us all how your lies “elevate the discourse”, hypocrite.

      • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 10, 2012 7:29 PM at 7:29 PM |

        As My Kids would say to people like sTURDevant in the comment section of their favorite blogs, “There always has got to be at least one Right wing butt kisser, gossip, back-stabber or sh*thead around who thinks he’s someone special…It’s the American way.

  35. I don’t know where to start, LOL. So far I’ve been called an avalanche of profanities and slurs by people who claim to understand and advocate tolerance, LOL. You are your own poster children for why no one takes you seriously.

    I will, however, rise to at least one of the occasions and it will be Norma.

    Norma, you imply that tea partiers want to get that Black (capitalized) man out of office, implying that he’s not liked because he’s black.

    You don’t know me from Eve and yet you show bias, hatred and bigotry against conservatives. I am the farthest thing from racist and I support the tea party.

    I point you to the example of Kenneth Gladney. He is one of many examples. You brush it off as nothing and imply that it’s OK if he is pushed/shoved, etc.

    There appears to be only one reason for your lack of outrage. He is a black person supporting the tea party. Because of that, you don’t care. I therefore draw the conclusion that you are an anti-conservative bigot.

    Tea pary members are all called racist every day. Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a cunt, among many other things.

    I could go on and on. You have even brainwashed your children to feel smart by making sure that right wingers are, by definition, shitheads. Your words, not mine.

    You are a bigot.

    • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 11, 2012 8:23 AM at 8:23 AM |

      Look since you don’t know me I think I am gonna make it real clear to you… who I am!

      1) I hate losers who know nothing! That’s you by the way! My Family is of the same genetic make-up as the President… there is no color function in my family just love! So when people like you try to stir up anger in race relations against others… it just goes to show folks how sick you are to spread Hate!

      2) No matter how you cut it, your a liar sir, Gladney was a liar as well, and you do not have to be any particular color to see a scam artist! The story is two years old a-hole, take it to someone who is a into stupidity like you please.

      3) As a man you had a chance to treat me with respect, knowing I am a woman… yet you didn’t! So do not expect me to give you any back.

      4) I don’t pity you and your mind numbing sick morality, cause you have had 60 years since the civil rights act was passed to get it right, and be accountable to others, and not use color as an excuse….. but you blew it on white bed sheets and scissors! Don’t deflect on me because of your failure, to man up and be someone of promise….

      5) I don’t care how other people treat you … Obviously you have to give respect to get it back! See #3 for more information!

      6) My kids were right, and you just proved their point!

      • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 11, 2012 8:42 AM at 8:42 AM |

        The above answer also goes out to Crazy Joe as well! Whine all you want, I am not in a position to help you or hinder you… I believe I have the same rights to my Opinion as you… thank goodness!

        What happened? Did you right wingers make a wrong turn on the internet? Did real republicans finally have enough of you Fear propaganda and boot you off their own conservative blog site? It that why we are Blessed with all your conspiratorial theory’s about the General? Is this Post Breitbart syndrome for Teabaggers?

        May that guy rest in peace, but you need professional help!

  36. As for Larry and everyone else on here, please don’t pay attention to a single word I said. Please remain anticonservaitve bigots as well.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 10, 2012 8:45 PM at 8:45 PM |

      It’s the market place of ideas, M. Just put’em out there and don’t take offense if others critique’em. That’s democracy, amigo! If you win a debate now and then, it will make you a better debater for having had to defend your ideas. That’s what makes this site so interesting. Unlike the nazi sites, everyone is welcome and there are no screened calls!

      Stick around and play. You’re doing fine. Nuthin’ wrong with having one’s opinions tested. Just don’t take rejection so seriously. You’ll get used to it. I have.

  37. How is someone telling me for f*ck off having my opinions tested? How is someone telling me I don’t like black people because I want less federal intrusion into my life having my opinions tested? How is someone calling me a shithead having my opinions tested?

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 11, 2012 4:51 AM at 4:51 AM |

      Oh stop your whining. Look, if you WRITE shit, you GET shit! It’s a simple truism, dude. Don’t expect accolades for a steaming pile. The exchange rate for shit is shit. It’s kinda like economics. Hell, look at your hero Rush Limpballs latest escapade! He’s learnin’ too! Hope this helps.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 11, 2012 7:46 AM at 7:46 AM |

      Here, Turdy, another example of what happens when a reetard opens pie hole in an open forum. See? When libs are actually allowed to respond, you guys look EGGSACKLY like the moron in the clip! Watch the dude’s face screw up while accepting his own ass! Too funny. Enjoy.


      • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 11, 2012 7:56 AM at 7:56 AM |

        Now Turdy, hold up a mirror while reading the comments and see if YOUR face looks like Williams’! That look is priceless, dude! Get used to it! We are legion! Expect us! And we’re DAMN good at asshandin’!

        • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 11, 2012 9:06 AM at 9:06 AM |

          Its like Bird watching Larry, we hardly see a Teabagger, in their natural Plumage of crazy this early in the year! It is hardly Spring yet…. and the Little fearmongers are already leaving little presents of poop all over our democratic sidewalks!

          Time to send out the Democratic Cats I say!

  38. This Larry guy is a real piece of work. I mean he’s one of the craziest, completely corrupt and out of touch with reality fast-typers I have ever read. Larry, how do you have time to do all this? Do you have a job, Sir?

    And then there’s Norma. Thank God you only get to vote once…oh, wait, you’re in the SEIU. You get to vote about 50 times then, since they have perfected corruption in politics.

    I go with Pogo and Sturdevant. But again, quit wasting your time on these shills. They wouldn’t believe you if you had proof the grass is green as long as BS tells them it is blue. So save it for the real Montanans and for the courts, because that is where it will all end up.

    • And therein lies the truth behind what Wulfgar posted. If (and I stress the if strongly) there is truth behind your claims of fraud and abuse, and IF you are correct that there are legal procedings involved, then the issues will be decided in court. While I don’t always agree with the results of court proceedings (I do live in Dillon….), I tend to have some trust in our legal system. If General Walsh is convicted of the crimes you accuse him of, then he will have to face the music for those crimes. Bullock will have to deal with the consequences too.

      No one will buy into your accusations, though, until such time as they are litigated. You certainly aren’t going to litagate them in the comment section of this blog. You have thrown up all kinds of iffy articles about possible problems but not one of your links has even remotely mentioned charges, damages or litigation. Not one. Until such time as you can prove wrongdoing, I will continue to see your accusations as just that – unproven accusations – against General Walsh.

      Having done a lot of work in the legal system (yes, I did attend school for law), I find that the press (and even more so blogs) are clueless about what is actually going on. Worse, I have found that people discussing legal matters are far more likely to project what they want to happen rather than what is actually happening. Until I see some actual proof behind your nebulous claims, I can’t accept them as fact. I am sorry that that is too hard to comprehend.

      • Were you a 4.0 student, like your brother?

      • Actually, Mark, I wasn’t a 4.0 student until college. I HATED high school and as such, I only attended class when there was going to be test. Since I aced all the tests, I passed the classes but my lack of homework ensured that I would only JUST pass. Rob, on the other hand worked extremely hard to do the best he could. He earned every one of his grades because school didn’t come as easy for him as it did for me (I have a photographic memory so passing tests was a matter of reading the material and quoting it back on tests). Rob worked to really understand the material. I didn’t do that until college.

        You continually disparage Rob for the accomplishments that he should be proud of. There is a name for that, asshole… It is called being a bully. The sad fact, though, is – like most bullies – you would not dare to do that to his face. You can only do that armed with a keyboard. Do you masterbate while you type your crap demeaning everyone else?

        • Self-reflection, Kailey style. Did your father beat you, demean you? What is it creates this deep insecurity in you boys?

          • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 12, 2012 10:18 AM at 10:18 AM |

            Yeah know Mark…. That goes too far! You Musta been dropped on your head a few times more then the rest of us here, or had your morality surgically removed at a young age to say crap like this!

          • Insecure? Hardly. Of course, if you knew anything you would already realise that. Mark, you are an idiot and you continue to prove you are an idiot everytime you sit down at your keyboard.

        • Actually after my freshman year in high school, I wasn’t a 4.0 student either. I’ve never claimed to be.

          Mark made the whole fucking thing up.

          Please, people, for the love of DOG, do not engage this delusional ass as if anything he writes has relevance. It doesn’t. He is fishing for personal information that serves his circular reasoning. He is trolling, serving both meanings of the word. Kick him back under the bridge where he belongs. Point and laugh. It’s easy enough because he is an idiot. Leave it at that.

          • Sorry, Bud. I always remember you as having the good grades and me squeaking by. I was also always impressed about how hard you worked to learn. I was lazy about it.

            You are right about Mark. I rose to the bait and shouldn’t have. Blame it on boredom.

            • Moorcat, you are far tooooo modest. They don’t let just anyone operate nuclear reactors on submarines.

              As to beating the winter boredom, go fishing. The ice is going off soon. Go to the bench and create some of these http://nymphing.net/fly-fishing-nymphing/glass-worm/ I suggest red, tangerine, pink, and purple patterns. http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_nothing/6534317185/in/photostream/

              • Thanks, Craig.

                I wasn’t able to get out in the shop and that tends to create “instant boredom” even when I have things to do. As far as ice.. we never really got a lot here. I am kind of wondering if winter decided to skip Dillon Montana.

            • No apology necessary. Just kindly understand what you’re dealing with in Tokarski.

              And for the record, I was kind of lazy too. I did work hard to learn, and still do. I just wasn’t any better at the busywork than you were.

              • So let’s get our Kailey’s straight now: One is an awesome intellect who claims to be the best philosophy student ever to attend MSU, a 4.0 student, and the other is incredibly intelligent and possesses a photographic memory. One works in a book store, the other is ex-military, has no degrees, and occasionally occupies the Dillon hoosegow. So much for accomplishments.

                Neither ever admits personal flaws. Both are boring beyond belief, and adhere to groups rather than strive for individuality. Neither can handle nuance or read between lines, and both are gullible and easily led around by politicians. Both are authoritarian personalities, and are easily absorbed in power structure.

                And they love each other so much. I am so touched.

                • Mark, you are such an idiot. If that is how you see the two of us, you are also a delusional idiot. Once again, you have proven – without a shadow of a doubt – that you have no value here and should just crawl back under the rock you slithered from. Your complete misrepresentation of us is not different than your misrepresentation of every issue you ever comment on. You are certainly “enlightened” (though most of the rest of us call you insane).

                  • Kenneth, chill. I know, full well, that it is hard to deal with the personal lies from this asshole. What he wants is an angry response because it validates his importance in the mythology he’s built. He posted that comment only to bolster his own weak mythology of the world, and our roles in it. But his mythology is already getting picked apart because of it. I’m certain that his bullshit pisses you off. It does me as well. Look, he’s already falling into another phase of “woe is me and my misunderstood Genius!” So keep picking at his lies regarding reality and forget the personal stuff. The latter only serves his delusion. No one knows who you and I are, and if they do, it makes his delusion that much more transparent. His delusion is really his weakness, so concentrate on that. There is no reason to defend yourself, or me. He’s the nut. “Let him rave on that men shall know him mad.”

                  • Phew!

  39. And the Democrats find a token flunky to file against Bullock so he can collect double contributions? Have we seen this kind of lawlessness before?

    No respect for the rule of law, no respect for the common sense of Montanans. But since our state elected BS twice, I am really starting to worry about their judgment. If Bullock and Walsh win, I am leaning toward moving to Wyoming.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 11, 2012 2:04 PM at 2:04 PM |

      You’ll fit right in, Joe. It’s FULL of morons! BTW, do you ever study history? You see, even though we’re neighbors, our two histories are far different. Wyoming never had a BUTTE, America. Nor a Mizoola! We’re two different species. You are more Wyo than Monto, dude. They LUV reetards down there! Heck, you could run for guv! And don’t forget. The have the big Dick,cheney!

      Alas. But even THEY are starting to figure it out after many looong years of gettin’ raped by the corpos. They got no more clean water. And the ranchers ain’t too happy bout that. Might I suggest Pavilion? That’s your kinda town!

      • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 11, 2012 2:07 PM at 2:07 PM |

        It’s nice there this time of year, Joe. Just don’t order any whiskey and waters! You MIGHT end up dumber than you already are! Or dead!


        Not to fear, though. I hear that Livingscam is gonna declare war on eviros THERE two!! bwhahahahahahahaha! I kill me.

      • You liberals live by a double standard, Larry. You claim false offense every time someone says anything objectionable, and then you do the very same thing. We can argue about politics all day long, but your calling names like “reetard” is over the line.

        I have a family member with developmental disabilities, and I have spent five years caring for my step-son with Downs Syndrome. So I’ve witnessed a hundred horrifying acts of cruelty against both of them. Go ahead and be a crazy liberal, but dial back the cruelty for the sake of people you should care about.

        • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 11, 2012 10:34 PM at 10:34 PM |

          Well, Joe, I hear ya. I mean no offense. But for the record, I have never committed a “horrifying act of cruelty” against a person with a disability, mental or otherwise. In fact, anything but. In fact, I have actually worked with many kids with disabilities.

          But here’s the problem. Find me an acceptable word comparable to retarded that is pc and has the same meaning? I tried, and I’m unable to come up with such a word that doesn’t offend someone. So, it’s a real dilema. Just WHAT do you call someone who is really, really stupid to the point of being mentally slow and deficient to the point of acting retarded? I dunno. Do you? Republican maybe? I dunno.

          Find me a pc word for retarded that does not offend. I can’t do it. Hence, retarded. And really, when you think about it, MUCH of what the Pubbies are doing is mental illness of some type.

          • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 11, 2012 10:42 PM at 10:42 PM |

            Oh, and Joe, I don’t judge a person by their intelligence. I judge a person by their spirit! And I gotta tell ya that some of the greatest people I’ve known were folks that had disabilities but not of the spirit! Know what I mean? I’m sure that you do. Spirit has NOTHING to do with intelligence.

            • Regressive Rethug?

              Regressive Repubulican?

              GOP = Greedy Old Pigs?

            • Wow. You are truly astounding in your arrogance. Apology (if there was one) not accepted because you clearly have no intention of being less insulting. In fact, you have only intensified your horrible behavior.

              I can see I’ve been casting my pearls before swine. No more. Adios, muchachos, I will now move on to engage with people that have some spark of kindness, humility and the barest hint of open-mindedness.

        • Very few equate Larry’s use of words with the truely developmentally disabled because it is understood that Larry’s talking about those who have made a CHOICE to move this country backwards for financial/power gain. Those whose moral compass is only affected by money

    • Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 11, 2012 2:30 PM at 2:30 PM |

      Thats great, cause, we have better need of the state money, you get monthly here!

  40. Montana Advocate | March 12, 2012 6:04 AM at 6:04 AM |

    Great, now we have Jerry Lewis and Robert DeNiro teamed up. Should be quite a comedy act.

  41. interesting how many republican trolls are on this thread. i think its a sign of how nervous they are. that’s a complement to this ticket. go bullock/walsh!

  42. Lisa, the non-socialist / non-antireligious bigots (Bill Maher) are here because we really do see the Bullock ticket for what it is. It is corrupt.

    A woman named Anita has already filed her suit against DMA. Another named Dawny has also. Monique filed her EEO complaint/lawsuit as well. There should be 2 more this week. DMA was a corrupt disaster with Schweitzer’s corrupt butt buddy Ed Tinsley as the captain of the sinking DES ship.

    While Roundup and Glasgow were under water last year, DES was more concerned with what documents they needed to shred to cover up financial wrongdoing. They then proceeded to get rid of everyone who they deemed a risk. Just look into their turnover. Some were driven out, others are suing and putting up a fight.

    I’m not a lawyer; I don’t know where you go to find suits against the state. And if the IR doesn’t report on this stuff because they’re too busy fantasizing about giving dems a BJ, then they can wait until it hits critical mass. The Bullock/Walsh ticket is a disaster.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 13, 2012 7:09 AM at 7:09 AM |

      Oh Turdy, you’re SO cute when you’re angry and stoopid! I thought you left this heathen site or good, little fella. But HEY, I’m glad you chose to return. We needed some humor fodder, little dude!

      • While I can only waste so much on you Larry, I admit that I find you utter zealotry morbidly entertaining. That being said, I noticed you didn’t provide an adequate response to what I provided.

        To save time, I’ll go through the stupidity cycle with you again:

        Larry- Insult Insult Insult Profanity Insult

        Turd- you didn’t address the point

        Larry- Insult Insult Insult Profanity Insult

        Turd- you still didn’t reply. This is getting pointless

        Larry- Insult Profanity Profanity Insult

        Turd- OK, I’m outa here

        Larry- BWWAAAHAHAHAHAH I win!! You can’t take the heat, stay outado kitchen!!! Republicans suck!

        Other leftists- You’re right Larry!!!

        There. Now we can transition to whatever’s next.

        • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 13, 2012 9:23 AM at 9:23 AM |

          Um, Turdy, YOU’RE the one who put yourself in self-imposed exile from this site, dude. But now you’re back? Why? Are we REALLY worth wasting time on, dude? I don’t get it. Please explain. Makes you look kinda PATHETIC to leave on principle and then come whining quickly back! Got no real principles, little fella? ‘swhat I thought!

          • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 13, 2012 9:30 AM at 9:30 AM |

            And Turdy, when you stand for nuthin’ you’ll fall for anything! Remember that. NEXT time you take a principled stand, STAND UP, dude! Don’t go all limp on us! Bad form for a nazi. You dudes should be made of sterner stuff!

          • You know when you want to do something that takes no brain power? It’s like a completely relaxing escape where you can just sit back, clear your mind, take a deep breath and unwind after a hard day of paying for other people to hang out?

            Once you get past the idea that you can actually change people’s minds and that people just come here to insult each other, it can be kind of fun. Like that big tomato fight they have in Spain. Mindless, messy stress relief.

            • better than self-immolation, innit?

            • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 13, 2012 7:44 PM at 7:44 PM |

              Not really, Turdy. I come here to insult YOU, dude! You haven’t the intellectual where-with-all to participate in discussion at this level. You’re used to the moron sites where you don’t get challenged. And judging from your posts, it appears that you don’t know SHIT, nor do you SUSPECT shit! You just haven’t been around the block, dude. And it shows. Folks here have, and they have many and varied life experiences and a sense of history. You see to be lacking all of those.

              But I will say that you might have potential if you ever decide to stop deluding yourself. BTW, just WHOM are you paying for to hang out? Start there. I’m thinkin’ that your a gubmint sucker, right?

              • Per the standard of this site, I’ll unwind by insulting you.

                You’re right that I can’t have a discussion at your level. I’d have to be sodomizing an angry wombat while filming it and forwarding the feed to school children in Bozeman while demanding that the government pay for my internet connection to do so to be at your level, while asking my friends to kick a jew to death to support Palestine.

                As for being “around the block,” how many states adn how many countries must a person live in/visit to have been around the block.

                I’ll bet you a turd from that wombat you’re butt ramming that I’ve been more places than you have WHILE SOBER, (important caveat for you).

                Ahhh….. That was relaxing. Your turn.

        • msturdevent – the Kralzy300 is actually a computer they use to generate comments. You are arguing with software.

  43. Red state collapse under the magnifying glass today:


  44. Fear of militia activity likely fueling Flathead jobless rate: Beacon.

  45. Oh, and Larry.

    Nazi. National Socialist German Worker’s Party. As a conservative, nazis are my sworn enemy.

    You, as a socialist, are simply a “nice” nazi. After all, Hitler was a pagan vegetarian, Ernst Rohm was gay, and Himmler was also a true occult enthusiast/pagan.

    For you, we’ll go with bubble gum nazi as you don’t have the balls to go beat up Jews and instead just sit there and type. How’s that?

    You are the new SS. Supporters of Socialism. You are the new hate.
    You are the new evil.
    You are the new bigotry.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 14, 2012 6:46 PM at 6:46 PM |

      BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA! I TOL’ you not to expose yourself, dumbass! Now look at what you’ve gone and done. Put your raincoat back down, little fella, til’ it meets with your fake pants tied below the knees! You are a true dumbass, Turdy! And one funny little dude! Do stick around, cupcake. You gonna be FUN!

      • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | March 14, 2012 6:51 PM at 6:51 PM |

        Oh……..my………GAWD!, cupcake! What part of the south you from? And for the record, just WHAT was your highest grade level achieved? I’m thinkin’ your the SAME moron that claimed a degree from Oklahoma. And one more thing. WHEN DID YOU FIND JAYSUS? BWHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! What a dufus!

  46. You can’t escape history. You can only try to censor it, (which we know your kind is desparately trying to do). And in this country we still have a first amendment i.e. you’re better off in Cuba.

    You probably don’t know who Ernst Roehm even is, do you?

    • This interested party is drafting a referendum pushing Mexican and Cuban Statehood as part of a United States of Earth as prophesied by St. Gene Roddenberry.

      Speaking of pink slime, earth hater presidential candidate, Rick Santorum, reminded US that Puerto Rico is expected to vote against Statehood again in November: NPR has the story here.

      Don’t fuck with me, dipshit.

  47. “I’d have to be sodomizing an angry wombat while filming it and forwarding the feed to school children in Bozeman while demanding that the government pay for my internet connection to do so to be at your level, while asking my friends to kick a jew to death to support Palestine.”

    My imagination is not rich enough to come up with this type of analogy; guess you had to be there.

  48. Norma Duffy AKA ILIKEWOODS | March 14, 2012 8:35 PM at 8:35 PM |

    Oh man, the GOP did have to pay people like Ole Turdy there to try and wreak the cowgirl democratic Paradise here….LOL…. The problem is progressives know it is a blog! The GOP think it is the begining of their Moral decay? The problem is they lost the Morality of that grand Ole party long ago, and they cant find the right rich candidate for them to buy it back!

    Uh Republicans…. didn’t anyone ever tell you….. you cant buy good morality? it is not a commodity!

  49. Montana GOP Official | March 14, 2012 8:56 PM at 8:56 PM |

    Anyone who read the comment from an organized GOP troll about raping helpless animals will no doubt have asked yourself this troubling question: how could the MT GOP have hired such a person?

    At the Montana Republican Party, we pride ourselves on our ability to scour the world’s universities and business schools for the finest sociopaths money will buy. Once in our internship program, these youths are subjected to rigorous evaluations to root out even the slightest evidence of a soul. But, as the case of Mr. Wombat Rapist shows, even the most time-tested system for detecting shreds of humanity can blow a gasket now and then and suggest something that crosses the line–like that school children in Bozeman might deserve food. For that, we can only offer you our deepest apology and the reassurance that one good apple won’t spoil the whole bunch.

    As to those of you who were serviced by Mr. Wombat Rapist, it’s understandable that you would be concerned about who will be taking his place going forward. On that front, I have some exciting news: today, the MTGOP is pleased to announce that a new fleet of trolls is soon to be unleashed. For those unfamiliar with how we roll…er…troll, let me assure you that our additional trollers will have the character and moral standards you have come to expect from Wombat rapist, and like the rest of us here at the Republican Party Headquarters, he has dedicated his life to doing the Lord’s work.

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