Posted: August 21, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Standing by their Man
While the rest of the Republican party was busy putting as much distance as possible between themselves Todd Akin, the Missouri GOP candidate that said if women were not making up the rape their bodies would “shut down” the pregnancy, Montana Republicans lined up to express their support for his views.
Former Congressman Rick Hill was the first to stand with Todd Akin. Hill, who clearly has a woman problem, came out yesterday in support of Akin’s position on forcing rape victims to carry their rapists’ pregnancies to term. Hill supports it.
As Julianna Crowley, the political leader of the pro-choice movement in Montana, pointed out, Congressman Rick Hill has a frightening record.
“Former Congressman Rick Hill’s extreme anti-choice record shows just how serious a threat it would be for the women of Montana if he was elected Governor,” Crowley said.
“He has cast 57 votes on reproductive rights while in Congress receiving a zero percent voting record from NARAL Pro-Choice America in1998, 1999 and 2000 and a 3% in 1997. Hill co-sponsored the “Right to Life Act” of 1997 and 1999, both of which gave personhood status to a fetus, defining life at the moment of fertilization and, if passed and enacted into law, would have ended legal abortion and ban several of the most common forms of birth control.
Montanans have rejected to qualify a similar personhood measure for our ballot three years in a row. The Hill ticket is too dangerous for Montana women’s health and too extreme to represent this state.”
In a press release, the NARAL Pro-Choice Montana Director points out that Hill’s anti-choice record also includes these gems:
- Repeatedly voting to deny women in the military – who defend our freedom overseas – and dependents the right to use their own, private funds for abortion care at military hospitals.
- Repeatedly voting against international family-planning programs.
- Publicly stating that he opposes abortion even in cases of rape or incest.
Hill’s anti-woman views don’t end with his shocking NARAL voting record. Hill has publicly stated that he supports repealing Montana’s law prohibiting insurance company discrimination against women. In Montana, insurance plans must cover women’s health care needs like birth control, mammograms, and maternity care–just like they cover men’s. If Hill had his way, insurance rates for women will dramatically increase. (Hill has made no objection to the fact that insurance companies routinely cover Viagra and male pattern baldness drugs.)
Even Congressman Dennis Rehberg who totally missed the point of why Rep. Akin’s comments about “legitimate rape,” were repulsive, at least made a futile attempt to address the controversy.
Republican Attorney General Candidate Tim Fox on the other hand has spent his political career dodging the issue altogether.
Here’s a transcript of the exchange:
Host: Carl’s on the line and I understand he wants to talk about abortion. Hello, Carl?
CALLER: Hello, Mr. Fox, I heard you say that you are 100% pro-life. Does that mean that you are opposed to abortion even in cases of rape and incest?
Tim Fox: You know I have made it clear on the campaign trail that I am…ah…pro-life and I believe that life begins at conception and I think it’s important for candidates to be clear on their stances on those kind of issues of the day. But I also think it’s important to know and understand that the Attorney General doesn’t make law, the Attorney General enforces law. And certainly whenever the legislature for instance enacts a new law whether it leans one way or the other on, say, the abortion issue the Attorney General is charged with the responsibility of enforcing that law and defending that law and I would do that as Attorney General, irrespective of my values or political philosophies.
So, I, think this is an important issue to Montanans, and that’s why I’ve made sure that people know where I stand ad certainly we need to make sure that the dialogue continues in Montana on this issue and I would certainly be a part of that.
The GOP’s cowardly lion, Steve Daines, is taking the extreme position but seems to be hoping to hide it. His spokesman told Montanans that Daines ”disagreed” with the remarks. At the same time Daines reinforced his agreement with the policy, saying he “opposed to abortion in all cases except when the life of the mother is at risk.” In other words, he is in support of making rape victims keep the rape-induced pregnancy. Daines is still accepting cash from groups that are standing with Akin.
Also of note, today the Republican National Committee’s platform committee firmly stated their support of Rep. Akin when they tentatively put in their platform language against abortion, even in the case of rape or incest.
Of course, if one of these mens’ own daughters were raped, the situation would be totally different. It’s okay for them, each of whom could afford to fly their daughters to Europe to terminate the pregnancy. But the rest of us are SOL.
Just Think No
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/opinion/dowd-just-think-no.html?_r=1&hp
And lest we forget, Akin is on the SCIENCE committee! Can a Rape Museum be far behind a la the creation museum? A place where all the rape “gifts from god” can be displayed?
Come ON, America! The entire frigging WORLD is laughing at you for allowing these morons into power. Thanks a lot!
“What is very disturbing to me is that people like Mr. Akin who have postulated this secret mechanism for avoiding pregnancy have developed their own make-believe world of science based on entirely self-serving beliefs of convenience or just ignorance,” he said. “I don’t think we want these people to be responsible for the lives of others
p.s. The reality is that anyone suprised by all this Akin horseshit has NOT been paying attention! And that’s real sad. IF we had a real press, IF we had real mainstream religious leaders, and IF we had really informed, courageous citizens and politicians, the wackos would have been challenged on this nonsense long ago!
Bottom line? The wackos ain’t hidin’ nuthin’. Never have. Akin is NOT an aberration, but an INCARNATION of Dopey Reeburp, Lil’ Ricky Hill, and Stevey Daines, and ALL the other Teatards!
Look folks, it should be noted that while nobody thinks that rape is ever “legitimate,” plenty of Republicans—including Rehberg, and a majority of the House Republican caucus in a series of votes in spring 2011 have supported distinguished between cases of “forcible rape” (where abortion ought to be allowed) and other forms of rape, where they are not so sure.
Rehberg voted to prevent the following situations from “counting” as rape: women who are drugged or verbally threatened and raped, minors impregnated by adults, and women who say no but do not physically fight off the perpetrator for fear of being murdered.
Mother Jones
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/05/04/163656/house-gop-hr3/
House Republicans used “a sly legislative maneuver” to insert a “backdoor reintroduction” of the language narrowing the definition of what counts as rape. Essentially, if the bill is challenged in court, judges will look at the congressional committee report to determine intent. The committee report for H.R. 3 says the bill will “not allow the Federal Government to subsidize abortions in cases of statutory rape”…
— thus excluding abortions for women who were raped in these circumstances (drugged and unconscious, 13 year old girls impregnated by 55 year old camp counselors, and women who keep still for fear of being murdered).
You guys are really making hay with this Akin controversy.
But let’s put our thinking caps on, shall we?
Were would the $5M+ that the Reps pulled in Akin advertising go?
How ’bout right here at the next most vulnerable senators race.
By “you guys” do you mean “women.” And you wonder why women won’t be voting GOP
You “gals” infers the weaker sex.
I’d rather be a member of the sex you call “weak” than a weak, small-minded individual.
Yeah, Ingemar is a real internet Rambo. Tromping around the internet defending sexists and bigots must really wear on a person, but that’s no excuse for abandoning basic courtesy to others.
Yeah, like you guys (and gals) aren’t working overtime spewing crap.
Like Blue MT below.
So whats wrong Ingy? ” Blue Montana” a little to real? Does he hurt your sexist feelings?
Facts hurt Ingy’s feelings.
Rehberg thinks rape victims are lying sluts
http://mtcowgirl.com/2011/05/05/rehberg-drugging-a-woman-and-then-having-sex-with-her-unconscious-body-aint-rape/
Rick Hill is completely out of touch. He’s a has been for 20 years ago who has no clue how outdated his ideas even are. No, no, and hell no.
The clueless think that a path to victory contains insults.
Like insulting the MT voter.
cry me a river, swede: yer the worst offender!
Most effective maybe, but not based on volume.
Ingy just because you think you don’t speak like the RW Tool of today……. Doesn’t mean You aren’t one anyway. I have yet to see you speak outside the Bounds of your own Demented Party Politics and beliefs, just once in the last year!
Actually I’m against the “War on Women”.
Especially the “soon to be born women”.
the “war on women” includes rape, Ingemar. If you endure such a horror, I would suggest YOU be the person to go and tell a victim that they are now forced to carry that pregnancy to term.
Rape? Kinda like what Clinton did?
Ya know the “Raper in Chief” gets the prime speaking spot at your convention.
santa claus, sani-flush, drano: swede bowls a gutter round.
poor attempt at deflection Ingemar. Bill Clinton was never even tried on charges of rape (or for that matter convicted, which is what we here in the United States need in order to accuse someone of such a crime.) But, if you want to continue to condemn trauma victims of rape, go right ahead. I still maintain that you are the person in charge of sitting rape victims down and telling them that you know what is best for them. Well, you can share that responsibility with Todd Akin when he loses his seat.
If you want to get through to Swede, go through his wallet. Remind him that his chuckleheads spent ~$70,000,000 of our hard earned money to prove that Bill Clinton *wasn’t* a rapist.
Rob, if you want to hush up rape victims of rape (Juanita Broaddick) open your wallet and pay her off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrxH0pSyfho
Why should I Swede? You did it for me.
Starr, no friend of the President, investigated the Broaddrick allegations. Juanita signed an affidavit saying that no rape happened, and no evidence of a liaison between the two (consensual or not) could even be found. We paid for that investigation. If public money had paid to silence her, Starr would have found it.
You’re worse than a birther, idiot. You actually think that something fully investigated is proof that it happened, when the investigation found absolutely no proof it happened.
Ingemar – I will give you some education on our American Justice System, since you don’t seem to be aware. You keep accusing of rape, however by our laws set forth by our founding fathers, we here in American consider people innocent until proven guilty. Since you are calling someone a “rapist” i would like for you to cite the condemnation, by a jury, of such a charge. If you cannot, you are not allowed to refer to someone as something they have not been convicted of perpetrating. (maybe that’s the way it works in whatever country you’re in, but not here in America.) Not only in America but in most all civilized countries and compassionate persons everywhere, believe that if someone is the victim of rape, that that person has control over the decision making process for their health, as other decisions were so egregiously not respected by the perpetrator. Todd Akin and others, are in the minority as they do not display any sort of compassion for victims of one of the most horrid crimes humans can inflict upon one another.
“we here in America.”
As always you’re devoid of details Rob. From Wiki.
“Allegations against Bill Clinton
In 1997, Broaddrick had filed a sworn affidavit with Paula Jones’ lawyers, denying that Clinton had ever assaulted her: “During the 1992 Presidential campaign there were unfounded rumors and stories circulated that Mr. Clinton had made unwelcome sexual advances toward me in the late seventies… These allegations are untrue ….”[1] In November 1998, Broaddrick contradicted her sworn statement in an interview with Dateline NBC.[2][3]
In an interview by Dorothy Rabinowitz for the Wall Street Journal editorial page, Broaddrick claimed that Clinton had told her not to worry about pregnancy, because childhood mumps had rendered him sterile.[4] The alleged incident occurred two years before Clinton’s daughter with his wife Hillary Rodham was born.
Broaddrick recanted her earlier sworn statement when interviewed by the FBI about the Jones case; the FBI found her account inconclusive, and the affidavit denying the allegations remains her only sworn testimony. Broaddrick later said of the affidavit, “I didn’t want to be forced to testify about one of the most horrific events in my life. I didn’t want to go through it again.”[2] David Schippers, the Chief Investigative Counsel for the House Judiciary Committee which was holding an inquiry on whether Clinton had committed impeachable offenses, stated that he believed Broaddrick filed the affidavit because of intimidation from Clinton, saying, “She was so terrified. And the reason she was terrified was because she saw what had happened to Kathleen Willey, Gennifer Flowers and all the rest of them.”[5] Although Broaddrick claimed that no one had pressured her to file a false affidavit, she complained that she was being watched from parked cars, her home had been broken into, her pets released and her answering machine tape stolen while she and her husband were away briefly, during the House impeachment probe.[5]”
Emphasis on “changed her story”.
Ingemar: emphasis on “allegations” and “innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers.”
Of course you are right, idiot. Investigated “allegations” are proof in your tiny and sad universe. The investigation was precisely about the details you ignore. Those would be the “details” of what didn’t happen, moron.
~sigh~ Swede, you are claiming that any allegation of rape is by default true, even when a special prosecutor has crawled completely up the ass of the alleged rapist at extremely high cost to the rest of us, and found no evidence of rape.
Is that really the mountain upon which you want to plant your flag, given the current debate? Really?
Sure Rob I’m still climbing, since most of whats written here is allegations lets turn the tables.
Say for instance Broaddrick had originally accused Denny, Hill or Daines and then changed her story?
Would those three Reps. be absolved of any suspicions?
No, Swede, it wouldn’t. (Of course should such allegations ever make it to trial, a jury would likely absolve them.) Ya’ know what would absolve them? A fricken 70 million dollar investigation that turned up no evidence to support the allegations of rape. That would likely do it, just like it did with Bill Clinton.
The only thing you’re climbing out of, Swede, is the hole you’ve dug yourself.
seriously, i just nominated you for the position, it is now your job to look all rape victims in the eye, and tell each woman that has endured such an atrocity that you know what is best for her.
$3,000 fine for killing a baby eagle while growing in an egg, but killing a human during its most vulnerable developmental stages is okay?
Please help me understand how an amimals eggshell is comparable to an adult female rape victim.
Dear “Please help me understand,” The eagle is a national Treasure, endangered species, American Indian religious article and National symbol.
Please be intelligent enough not to confuse Humans with birds, while you continue to eat eggs for breakfast.
Hmmm, so there are plenty of humans therefore it is okay to kill them when they are most vulnerable?
wait just a second. is that you Tom Burnett?
Sorry, pervy boy, but you have NO BUSINESS determing a woman’s reproductive choices! It’s simple, just like you. Get it? None. Your beliefs are yours. Do what you want. But you have NO right to attempt to foist your bizarro beliefs on anyone else. HEY, it’s your soul, dipshit. Worry about IT! Be a good little christian fascist and run along and play with yourself now! bwhhahahahahaha!
I dont want to be the one to tell you this, but you know nothing about Human history Dude…You got to take that craziness somewhere else, where modern science and True historical evidence isn’t gonna get in the way of that 2000 year old bible.
If you know anything of the history in which Jesus lived you would know that if a child did not conform, or was not wanted by the woman, husband or family Patriarch immediately after Birth…. it was placed in earthen jars during Jesus’s time, and left on the street to die of exposure or be saved by a passerby. and it was done without revenge by god.
Slavers also would collect these unwanted kids, for future slaves.
Jesus never said anything like that in his teachings against the practice of “Exposure” did he? But it was common practice in his time.
Infantcide, in the middle ages was considered acceptable in a lot of middle-aged cultures, and exposure was considered the leading cause of death. Killing babies only became a capital offense in Roman law in 374 years after Christ died, and even then offenders were rarely, if ever prosecuted.
Stop reading just one book to make your case… because you have no Idea about Human history, or what kind of life your god walked amongst, and said nothing about.
I wonder just where Pervy Boy was gonna PUT those extra fifty million aborted babies?! Hmmm. Let’s see. An extra million to each state otter do it, RIGHT, Pervy Boy?
Pervy Boy and his pervy pals don’t even like birth control fercryin’outloud, but they NEVER mention where the extra fifty million are gonna live, and where they’re gonna work, and what they’re gonna eat.
Bottom line? These morons in the Pubbie party are NOT anywhere near reality! The oppose even birth control is WORSE than barbarism!
“The rich need an abundant supply of the poor.” (Voltaire)
Right, Pervy boy?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martha-burk/go-for-it-gop-sperm-right_b_1823325.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
Should we only save the “desirable” babies and rid humanity of the “undesirables?” Quotes are from Margaret Sanger, who was an avid adherent to the Eugenics movement and the founder of Planned Parenthood. This is the real reason why Planned Parenthood has a disproportionate number of locations in poor-urban-minority areas.
Control the courts, Dems: a vote against Dennybriated Rehberg is one click closer to wrenching the civil rights distribution being meted out by the Franco wing of the earth hater party and returning that power to the women of the 99%.
You’re a moron. Just answer the question, cupcake. What you gonna DO with the fifty million new babies, dipshit?
You like things black and white. You’re a moron.
That was an unfortunate phrase to use. The primary goal of Eugencis was to decrease “black” and increase “white” Margaret Sanger founded Planned Parenthood to achieve that goal. This is yet another inconvenient truth.
Oh come ON, cupcake. What are you, fifteen years old? Is this really the best argument you have? Geez. Go to the christofascistsites, dipshit. You’ll be a big hit. But here, you’re laffable.
p.s. I just gotta ask. What was your highest grade level achieved? You seem retarded.
p.s.s. I’m done feeding this troll.
“I’ve noticed that everyone who supports abortion has already been born.” -Ronald Reagan
And I notice that Ronald Reagan had Alzheimer’s. Seriously, we can play the trumping fallacy game all day if you’d like.
A fertilized human egg takes anywhere from 3 to 10 days to travel the length of the fallopian tubes and implant itself in the uterus. With no human intervention and no human actions taken, between 50% to 70% of such fertilized eggs do not plant firmly in the uterus and continue their path out of the female body. SO, according to the “personhood” people, wouldn’t this make God the biggest abortionist and how do we go about charging Him with a crime?
I think our only option here would be to secede from the universe.
Each contains a unique growing life form and the eagle is protected the human is not. Please help me understand
I think you’re beyond help, although I have no objection to those who believe in the supernatural praying for your enlightenment.
Please: you may not find the notion of forcing a woman that has been raped (legitimately or not, whatever THAT means) to be repugnant, to say the least. However many of us do. If you have been put through such a horror, the choice of carrying that pregnancy to term should be left to the victim. I suggest you read this article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eve-ensler/todd-akin-rape_b_1812930.html
If you can’t understand why a woman should not be forced to bear a rapists pregnancy, then I can’t help you.
Bare. Are bears protected too?
I shall no longer be responding to this troll.
Hey please, you REEK of white old dude teatard! Sorry, but you don’t get to have an opinion on this. You ever been preggers dude? Ever been raped? You a posuer and a hoser, loser boy. The Invisible Big Guy in the sky told me so!
This one’s for YOU, cupcake! It’s Jaysus approved! bwhahahaha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jxw3Pw0yo0
Read Maureen Dowd in the NYTimes today. She points out that unlike Akin and Hill, some republicans ( like Rehberg, Fox, and Daines) try to hide their true beliefs I’m order to get elected. They all clamor against Akin while holding their own crazy beliefs secret. They know they can’t be the party of science and young people while holding crazy views, so they think hiding them is the best path.
After reading Dowd, read Josh Marshall: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/08/do_you_get_it.php.
Akin, as I’ve mentioned, flunked biology. That was no surprise. But I’ve been deeply startled to learn that his ignorance — more properly, I suppose, the warehouse of things he believes that just are not so — is shared by large numbers of the anti-abortion movement. No wonder so many right wing nuts oppose sex education in public schools. They’re afraid our children will learn biology and turn against their parents’ churches and preachers, and that religious truth no longer will trump scientific fact.
What’s worse is that this know-the-wrong-thing crowd probably is not confined to the Bible Belt and its fringes.
They Love the Fetus till it’s born but hate the child (unless its born into a wealthy family)
Nah, Lynn. It’s simpler than that. Dudes like Birther Bob and Pregtested man are perverts. That’s all. They get their jollies and a cheap thrill beating up on women who they don’t even know! Makes them feel all powerful. But the reality is that they are simply sick little pervs who are afraid of women, and feel very, very inadequate! It’s SPP, or small pee pee syndrone. I think that’s the correct medical term.
so true, Lynn. Also, their complete disregard and compassion for a trauma victim of one of the most egregious crimes, is positively stunning. Anyone without such compassion, in my opinion and in the opinion of the majority of Americans, do not belong making limiting healthcare decisions in politics.
George Carlin does a whole riff on the Conservatives about this. I gotta say he is absolutely Right about the Right wingers… they are anti_ Women!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCWC4sHbIV0
The Problem With Men Explaining Things
Countless women are being told that they are not reliable witnesses to their own lives, that the truth is not their property, now or ever. http://www.motherjones.com/media/2012/08/problem-men-explaining-things-rebecca-solnit
Great article. Thanks for posting.
“legitimate rape”
has already been enshrined in the online Urban Dictionary as “Rape between one man and one woman who are not married or even acquainted; the only rape sanctioned by the Republican Party.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/rep-akins-comments-just-the-latest-attempt-to-define-rape–and-women/2012/08/21/de8151a0-ebca-11e1-a80b-9f898562d010_story.html
They’re ALL nuts! Wake up, America, before the Murcan Taliban has their way with you! Get yourself educated. I recommend a book entitled The Family by Jeff Sharlett. A good place to start. Helps to understand the christfascists running amok!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/todd-akin-abortion-rape-incest_n_1819201.html
These other candidates are every bit as retrograde as Hill and Rehberg, it’s just easier for Fox and Daines to his it raise they don’t have voting records. Do not be deceived. If these fools believed differently, they’d be coming out to say so. Thy have the same polls as the rest of us showing he vast majority of Montanans would not support forcing a woman or young girl to have the rapists baby.
I have a suggestion for Akin, Rehberg and Hill et al. If rape becomes inevitable, JUST BEND OVER AND ENJOY IT!
I find it interesting how in Tim Fox’s exchange, he is asked specifically about in the case of rape and incest, he then goes on to state that “life begins at conception,” and “it’s important for candidates to be clear on their stances.” 10-4 good buddy. Rick Hill and Tim Fox = Montana’s Todd Akin.
You guys want this war, I’m all in.
Let’s talk ’bout the born alive amendment. Third trimester abortions. Clinton’s multiple attacks on women (you should put some ice on that).
How about black babies genocide?
Bring it. Hypocrites.
Oh Ingy, you’re so cute when you’re righteeous, dude! And funny! Did I mention funny? Geez, Ingy, if we could all just be like you, the world would be a much better place right? A world full Ingies! Jaysus would be so happy!
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/secret-world-rape-or-i-enjoy-being-gi
One of the most potent things I think I’ve ever read:
Fine. Come at me, Bro …
You are a hypocrite, Swede, so I haven’t any issues in taking your stupidity down. State your case. And watch me and others tear it to shreds.
Want less abortions? Raise wages. fight poverty, increase access to birth control.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/11626/20120821/pregnancy-abortion-poor-u-s.htm
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2011/apr/08/herman-cain/cain-claims-planned-parenthood-founded-planned-gen/
http://www.guttmacher.org/media/evidencecheck/2011/01/19/Guttmacher-Advisory.pdf
Rob, Swede, et al:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/1999/03/is_juanita_broaddrick_telling_the_truth.single.html
I’ve read all that, Larry. What is your point?
Rob: was just trying to move the thread off the skinny where it could be more easily read. The Slate piece seems more balanced than anything thing else I had read on the subject, that’s all.
Carry on (swede’s disease is only mitigated by his great sense of humor).
Well this is a hoot!
Glad to see the ladies out in force tonight. Thank You and Keep it up too.
We need to shake this fake religious BS out of the minds of people who see Jesus in a slice of toast, Instead of actually believing he is supposed to be a part of them everyday!