Congressional Debate Preview

Montana’s Congressional candidates debate tonight, and it’s likely Daines is worried.  He’s definitely not going to want to talk about his unpopular plans to end Medicare and cut Social Security benefits.  So, Daines’ major goal tonight will be to avoid discussing it.

This isn’t going to be easy. Daines is already on the record saying in the Billings Gazette that  he would have voted for the so-called Ryan budget, the conservative budget blueprint that was endorsed by the GOP-TEA-Party controlled House.

This budget would end Medicare’s guaranteed benefit in favor of taxes for oil companies–and give tax breaks to corporations who outsource American jobs overseas. The Congressional Budget Office estimated it will increase health care costs by an extra $6,359  for every future Medicare beneficiary.  That means all of us, if we’re lucky enough to live that long.

The non-partisan Center on Budget and Policy Priorities wrote:

“The measure […] stands out as one of the most ideologically extreme pieces of major budget legislation to come before Congress in years, if not decades. […] The legislation would inexorably subject Social Security and Medicare to deep reductions.”

So, Daines desperately needs to try to switch topics. But rather than coming up with anything of his own to talk about, Daines instead decided to plagiarized his own opponent’s campaign ads.  In his new ad released today, Daines repeatedly calls himself a problem solver, something Kim Gillan said about herself in her first television ad 19 weeks ago.

If Daines has any success in tonight’s debate it will be because he’s using Gillan’s lines.

The debate will air live on MontanaPBS, TONIGHT, SEPTEMBER 25, from 7 – 8:30 PM.  It will also be simulcast on Montana Public Radio and Yellowstone Public Radio, streaming on-line at www.montanapublicmedia.org.

Posted: September 25, 2012 at 5:43 pm

40 thoughts on “Congressional Debate Preview

  1. Scoop Montana

    Daines scored big tonight. He was poised, educated and articulate. Gillan was not well prepared nor well spoken. The libertarian did nothing to rob votes from Daines, but did give Gillan a strong challenge for worst-in-show.

    1. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

      I just gotta ask, Poop, even though you will surely run and hide like you losers always do. But for the record, Poop, just HOW much of that hated gubmint money you suckin’ up little fella? For you see, your words indicate BIG lips on Unca Sugartit! And the ONLY folks who clamor for Paul Ryan’s budget are dudes livin’ on military retirement or some such! (like zinke. unca sugartit comes in cammo too. just ask zinke.) Try to be honest for ONCE in your life, Poop. Let us know just HOW a paul ryan/aynus rant budget will help YOU!

      For you see, Poop, for the LIFE of me I canNOT understand most folks voting against their own self-interests! I mean, in Montana, who DOESN’T benefit from Fed gubmint largesse? Who DOESN’T take adavantage of gubmint programs? And who WILLINGLY votes for a pathetic asshole like daines who promises to cut medicaire and social security in order to give even FURTHER tax cuts to the rich? And let’s be clear, shall we? daines IS a pathetic asshole! He makes sen. conrhole BURNS look like a statesman!

      I think you been suckin’ gubmint titty for so long, Poop, that it cut off the air to your BRAIN, dufus. I know, I know. You are a self-made individual who’s never sucked off Unca Sugartit. You and little mormon pioneer, tommy burnutz!

      BHWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

  2. Scoop Montana

    No sarcasm here. Nor was there during the post debate analysis on PBS that declared Daines the winner. Neither Gillan nor Kaiser distinguished themselves in any particular way and Daines presented himself well. As one commentator said, “Ultimately, Daines is going to win the election” because of his solid performance.

  3. Matt

    Choad of the nite: Kaiser
    Proud moments for all Montana Libertarians, I’m sure. I’m amazed then man can feed and dress himself.

    I loved the Pell grant question. Daines’s company benefited greatly from MSU graduates (and students) whose education was partially funded by Pell Grants. But, I guess in the grand scheme of things those don’t create jobs or help people get employed. (in this election cycle anyhow) It’s money to educate and empower people and get our country rolling again. Sad.

            1. Craig Moore

              James, it was beyond underwhelming. It was pitiful. The debate deserved more respect. Gillan is doing her best in her uphill battle, and I admire her for it. That being said her position on HB 198 disqualifies her in my opinion as I have stated elsewhere.

  4. Grandma Jeanie

    Daines said he is proud of supporting the plan to end Medicare and cut social security:

    But Daines did not shy away from the tie to Ryan, saying his plan to set up a voucher system for Medicare is needed to keep the health care system for the elderly from sliding into bankruptcy by the middle of next decade.

    “We have a problem that is festering and needs to be dealt with,” Daines said. “I’m proud of the fact that Paul Ryan has put a plan in place and we’re starting to have a good discussion over it.”
    http://www2.tbo.com/news/politics/2012/sep/25/gillan-daines-house-debate-follows-partisan-lines-ar-513388/

  5. Hi-Liner

    Daines is an idiot and is not qualified for office. He made the claim last night in the debate that the answer to health care in the country is for hospitals to provide charity care as they do now. Well guess what Daines? Didn’t anybody tell you that the Federal government already pays hospitals taxpayer money to provide this “charity care.” Yeah, millions of dollars go to hospitals every year. Charity? I think not.

    1. Hi-Liner

      Yeah, here’s a link to the payments:

      http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparetable.jsp?ind=185&cat=4

      Montana Hospitals got paid 11 million in government money for “charity” last year alone.

      Disproportionate Share Hospital (DSH) adjustment payments provide additional help to those hospitals that serve a significantly disproportionate number of low-income patients; eligible hospitals are referred to as DSH hospitals. States receive an annual DSH allotment to cover the costs of DSH hospitals that provide care to low-income patients that are not paid by other payers, such as Medicare, Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) or other health insurance. This annual allotment is calculated by law and includes requirements to ensure that the DSH payments to individual DSH hospitals are not higher than these actual uncompensated costs.

      1. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

        This is my point, Hi-liner. How could ANYONE vote for this pathetic asshole? Hell, he ain’t hidin’ nuthin’? His stupidity is on full frontal display, and he’s PROUD of that! I simply don’t get it. Geez, I guess we get the gubmint we deserve, but I don’t deserve this! When it’s all gone, ALL of the progressive programs that people now enjoy, do you think people will FINALLY figure out that they f*cked up? I seriously doubt it. It’s dog eat dog now for sure! Rugged individualism and loser take the hindmost!

        And that’s real sad.

        1. Hi-Liner

          Exactly, lets not forget that this was the party that put out a “Contract on America’ that proposed selling off our national parks. That threatened to shut down the entire U.S. government over birth control. That is all ranting and screaming and no cooperation and common sense.

        2. Brenda K..

          Are you paying attention to what is going on over in Greece and France? Their progressive programs became unsustainable. Who wants that here? There’s a happy medium here folks if we choose to seek it!

          1. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

            Brenda, I’m not real sure what you’re suggesting, but I would argue that there IS no happy medium. They system was rigged long ago through criminal means. Now, what we’re left with is a criminal plutocracy. It didn’t have to be this way. Now, just as surely as a violent coup in S. America, we have become a banana republic. Our coup started with the Kennedy assassinations, and has continued right on up to the present with nixon bringing in the REAL criminal element. (bush and his CIA minions) Of course, the CIA has been a major player doing the bidding of the super wealthy.

            Bottom line though is that it is important and vital to understand that ALL the gains made by the plutocracy were made by criminal means. And that ain’t democracy. And statistics don’t lie. We ARE a plutocracy. Hell, they ain’t even trying to hide it any more. Will it work out in their favor? That remains to be seen.

  6. Jan Thomas

    Gillan has run a really smart campaign. She has been about to keep pace with her opponent in spite of being out spent 7 to 1 by being smart about what she does and how she spends her money.

  7. Butte Gal

    There are only 40 days left until Montanans vote on whether women will keep or discard many of our essential rights and freedoms. Vote against Daines, he’s one of the worst. And vote against Rick Hill. If we don’t have the veto power next session women’s rights are going down the toilet. We already have democrats in the legislature like Jent caving in and voting to support the war on women. We need the veto,.

  8. Buckminster

    I don’t think Mr. Daines understands that hospitals run by organizations like the Sisters of Charity get money from medicaid and medicare and that they pay no property tax. Guess he forgot about that, or maybe he wants to kick that leg out from under his three-legged stool by making charity-based hospitals give up all that public support.

      1. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

        Good point, Lynn. Wonder how many times stevey wonder daines had to go to the ER for care………

        BWHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

        Get it? He’s Mitwit’s little twit brother! He’s Mini Mitt! (my new name for stevey boy) Mini Mitt, and it fits!

        You see, it’s damn EASY to be a christofundiwackmentalist aynus rant aficianado IF you’ve never had to worry as to how to pay your health care bills! Has Mini Mitt EVER had a rotten tooth that needed IMMEDIATE care like yesterday, with NO money in your account? I seriously doubt it. Just TRY tellin’ the dentist that you don’t have the money, but the Lord will provide ’cause you got grace! See what THAT gets you! ‘Bout like that stupid broad that said you could get medical care by tradin’ chickens!

        Mini Mitt says he was “saved by grace”. WELL, Mini Mitt you twit, saved by grace AIN’T a’gonna get you that ROOT canal you need, dipshit!

        Come ON, Montana. Wake up and smell the bullshit! Mini Mitt the twit and Dopey Reeburp are NOT your friends! Friends don’t LET friends suffer to enrich the Big Kockhs!

        1. Lynn

          Our dental care this spring, ( 3 abcessed teeth between the 2 of us) was made possible by the local credit union allowing me to open a credit card. I know we’re lucky. But, If either of us ends up in the emergency room before Obamacare kicks in I can kiss my credit rating behind

          1. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

            Allow me to reiterate. Mini Mitt is as ASSHOLE! Some folks think I’m abrasive. Well, if you actually LIVE in the real world, you’ll understand EGGSACKLY what I’m talkin’ about!

            MOST Montanans live one good medical bill away from bankruptcy, while dipshits like Minin Mitt preach grace, bein’ saved, and fillin’ your friggin’ quiver with younguns. WELL, dipshit Mini Mitt, just WHO THE HELL is gonna provide all the needed medical care for them little quiver shits?

            You’re an asshole of a man who is NOT even close to reality.

  9. Kenneth Kailey

    Daines was a “non-starter” for me when he signed onto the Nordquist “no new taxes” pledge. Any legislator that holds lobbiests pledge to support lobbiests like Norquist over their constituants have no business in ANY political position.

  10. Dave

    Daines didn’t say anythng about specifics. Just more talking points. Gillan had trouble with solutions, when asked to provide specifics. So nobody won.

  11. Butch

    I have been reading the reviews. This is a clear-cut decision about freedom or government controlled life in the United States. Gillian claims that those making over $250,000 need to pay more in taxes and uses the tax rates of a secretary and business owner sending jobs over seas. Well anyone that can look at a tax table knows this is a lie. Plus she is claiming that investment income is taxed below the secretary – which is again not true, but it is a different income and the secretary investment income is taxed less again.
    Business owners making $250,000 are your neighbors. Look at the business’s around you and is the distributor sending jobs overseas? the Contractor? The general business doesn’t send any jobs over seas. But big business is, and the reason is that they get free taxes and assistance in investment of buildings. That is because these small countries like the Caribbeans and Indonesia know that if they can get people back to work, their countries will grow and they will gain taxes off increased income and GDP. This seems to be missing from the USA Government who built a country on this economic model, but want to throw it away.
    Can’t stand stupidity – but to repeat lies over and over when all you have to do is look at history, tax charts, or just ask someone willing to tell the truth not biased B.S..

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