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Posted: October 4, 2012 at 9:16 pm
The Message from the Montana Republican Party
One of the most important issues on the minds of voters this year is jobs and the economy. Yet here’s a sampling of recent tweets from the head of the Montana Republican Party. Draw your own conclusions.
When I saw the posts from Bowen it made me think of the fact that Barack Obama, when serving as a state senator, actually advocated for “aborted” babies (who accidentally survived the procedure) to be legally put to death by a second doctor, so as to not cause the first doctor emotional distress.
You can hear a new political add that is narrated by a woman who was an aborted baby, thrown in a garbage can alive, and was rescued by a nurse who heard her crying. The nurse rescued her and saved her life.
So between Bowen’s posts and Barack’s votes, I’ll take Bowen’s posts any day.
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
“So between Bowen’s posts and Barack’s votes, I’ll take Bowen’s posts any day.”
Well of COURSE you will, TurdSavant, you’re an idiot! Have you found JAYSUS, dufus? What was the exact date and time that you were reborn?
bwhahhahahahahahahahahaa!
Too funny.
m sturdevant
So I guess you’re OK with killing unwanted children? You have a real knack for not answering the question and instead spiraling off into a tirade of irrelevant, offensive, bigoted insults. By not being able to complete a simple thought, you’re forcing me to conclude that you’re fine with killing live children, even after they’re born, healthy and viable.
Or are you actually able to answer the question? Try really hard, I know you can do it.
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Actually, I think that the REAL bigots are those who attempt to foist their OWN bizarre religious beliefs on the rest of us through legislation in our secular democracy! Sound familar? It should.
I’m fine with it.
m sturdevant
Let’s be clear. We are not talking about abortion.
We’re talking about babies that, for whatever reason, survive an abortion. The president went on record as saying that he was fine with them being killed after the fact. And you say you’re fine with then killing them.
I think those comments stand on their own merit.
Havre Voter
Oh please, this is a total crock of B.S.
m sturdevant
Larry doesn’t seem to think so. He’s fine with it.
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
I’m fine with it becuase it’s simply another rightwing myth, TurdSavant. That’s all.
Now, answer MY question. When were you born again, dufus? And why should we care? Runnin’ round with your religion all hangin’ out is kinda like runnin’ round with your WINGding hangin’ out! No one wants to see that worm! So, put’em BOTH back in your pants, Turd! You’re simply rude and arrogant!
That’s all.
Bill Dial
Any links to prove this “fact” of yours?
Or are we to all of the sudden to take the word of people who think that women should carry their rapists babies to term?
it made me think of the fact that Barack Obama, when serving as a state senator, actually advocated for “aborted” babies (who accidentally survived the procedure) to be legally put to death by a second doctor, so as to not cause the first doctor emotional distress.
You and I apparently have a very different idea of what a “fact” is. I’ve seen the claim you’ve made many times by the religiously gullible, but never once seen the evidence for it. Do you have any, or is this just ‘something you heard’?
I don’t know what this has to do with the topic we’re discussing. We might as well thrown in a conversation about Obama destroying the coal industry, or banning off shore U.S. drilling in the gulf while sending $2 billion in loan guarantees to Brazil so they can drill offshore and we can buy it from then. Please try to stay relevant.
Grandma Jeanie
You’re the one not on topic buddy. This is about how the GOP’s top concern is not jobs and the economy, but rather waging a War on Women. You prove the point with every wacky post you make.
m sturdevant
This war on women BS is the most ridiculous bunch of tripe I’ve ever heard. So Bill Maher calls Sarah Palin a c*nt and he’s applauded. And Obama takes $1,000,000 from him.
Here’s just a snapshot of what the left does to women.
[SOURCE: MEDIA RESEARCH CENTER]
What is funny is that Schultz’s disapproval came less than two months after she appeared on Bill Maher’s “Real Time” program on HBO. Unconstrained by broadcast decency codes and advertising, Maher and guests lash out at conservative women in some of the nastiest language and sexual imagery imaginable.
In September, 2011, Maher was talking about Texas Gov. Rick Perry and decided to throw in a vulgar Sarah Palin joke: “He sounded like a sixth grader who didn’t do the reading. Garbled syntax, messing up simple facts, sentences that went nowhere. Sarah Palin was watching and she said, ‘If only he was black, I’d f*@k him.’”
That was actually pretty mild for Maher. In March, 2011, he called Palin a “dumb twat.” The same month, according to the Dallas Voice, at a public appearance in Texas, Maher called Palin a “c*nt” and said “there’s just no other word for her.”
Also on Maher’s hit parade:
•In September, 2011, he called Rep. Michele Bachmann “mentally retarded.”
•In January, Maher mocked Callista Gingrich as a Martian.
•In October 2011, Maher said that if conservative pundit Michelle Malkin were told of how much killing President Obama had ordered without knowing anything else about him she’d “name her vibrator ‘Obama.’”
By the way… Bill Maher also made a movie that mocks Islam worse than the video the white house tried to blame the Libyan terrorist attack on. But I guess so few people watched it, even the Islamic extremists don’t know they’re supposed to be upset yet.
Ohs nos! Someone insulted someone else and that’s proof of hatred. But denial of rights? Passing health laws based on biblical biology? Defining the roles woman are allowed in our great male wonderland? Yeah, things that actually affect other things are just a myth.
m sturdevant
These insults are everywhere out there. Where is NOW? Of course, they’re nowhere to be found.
The funniest part about this whole thing is that I’m not even talking about abortion (my early posts emphasized that this was NOT about abortion, it was about advocating that living abortion survivors be allowed to be killed).
I’m not even pro-life. I’m just sick of liberal lies and hypocracy.
Actually NOW put out a statement condemning the sexist treatment of Sarah Palin. You just missed it because you only follow FAUX news approved sources. What you’re sick of are the lies you willingly coprophage every fricking day. The hypocrisy that gives you that awful feeling in your tummyworks is your own.
You can read Obama’s legislative testimony and make your own determination. Bottom line up front, abortion to him is far more important than human life.
You realize that link doesn’t support anything you wrote, right?
m sturdevant
So do you think that Melissa Ohden is lying? It seems that the administration would pounce on this if it was a lie. (insert sound of crickets chirping)
I don’t know if she’s lying. What I do know is that if she’s not, then she was thrown in a dumpster about the time Obama was 20, maybe 25. Her anecdote has nothing to do with Obama’s voting record. And you are now concern trolling, demanding response for something that doesn’t require it? Buy the way, sturdevant, when did you stop beating your wife … or have you? (See how your game is played?)
m sturdevant
You unwillingness to link Obama’s vote to the real issue is telling.
It’s just like the IPAB provision in Obamacare. I couldn’t make this stuff up if I tried….
Grandma Jeanie
I noticed that too.
m sturdevant
I realize that Obama can try to hide behind semantics regarding the federal laws and what he claims were his motivations after the fact. Anyone with a brain can read between the lines and, per what I said before, realize that the president is far more concerned about making sure there can be abortions than he is about protecting the lives of babies who survive them.
It is admittedly hard to get a strait answer from a president who lies about so much. But one can still connect the dots from time to time.
Yes, conspiracy nuts often “connect the dots”. Have you connected these yet? Obama => black => African => Kenyan => cannibal => eats dead babies, LOVES ABORTION FOR THE NOMS!
the president is far more concerned about making sure there can be abortions than he is about protecting the lives of babies who survive them.
How many ‘people’ each year ‘survive’ an abortion? 1? 3? 1 every 3 years? An answer with fact might be better than one anecdote of a dumpster baby.
Let’s do a quick compassion check – the law in question would require a fetus to have all the rights of a born-alive infant, even if there was NO CHANCE that he or she would survive. So, if y’all types are right and fetuses feel pain at an early age, you’re requiring that any fetus to still have some nervous system function after an abortion be kept alive to experience a little bit more pain before it passes out of the world, when there is no chance that it will ever experience anything else.
There’s some compassion.
Now, I generally oppose abortion at any stage in pregnancy where a fetus could be potentially viable outside it’s mother’s uterus. But that’s a story for another day.
Res Judicata
m sturdevant, but shorter = “Facts about Obama don’t matter, only my unprovable beliefs about Obama matter.”
m sturdevant
Obama has lied on virtually every major initiative he’s put forward. He lied about government funding of abortion in Obamacare. He lied about the IPAB panel, (even George Will gets that).
He lied about how much he’d reduce the deficit and unemployment, (or perhaps it’d be better to say that he knew he was talking out his ass when he threw out bogus numbers).
He lied about posting bills on the net for review 72 hours before they’re voted on. He lied about not letting lobbyists be a part of his administration. He and his state department just lied about Libya.
He lied about Mitt Romney’s “tax cut” of 5 trillion dollars for the “wealthy.”
He lied about how much Obamacare would cost.
His VP lied about saving 1,000,000 auto jobs when the entire U.S. automobile industry doesn’t even employ that many people.
I’m frankly at a loss to find something he hasn’t lied about.
But I’m sure it’s all Bush’s fault….
m sturdevant
Here’s the youtube video that shows one of the abortion survivors. You can gauge her level of authenticity….
We can proabably get a mailing address if you’d like to send her a letter saying that you wish she was dead.
Sturdevant, the laws before the Illinois legislature were not about killing viable fetuses but about redefining when “life” begins in a way that undercuts the existing law of the land.
As to your personal assessment of me and my values there is only one appropriate response: Fuck you, you hypocritical piece of shit. You don’t know me, or what I value.
m sturdevant
So would you have supported her being killed, or do you think she deserves to be alive?
I don’t think of her at all, asshole, nor am I required to weigh her moral circumstances against what I believe is righteous, even by your twisted view of religion. Quit offering false dilemmas. They are pretty transparent, and show you to be a hypocrite.
m sturdevant
So are you saying that she’s making a false claim?
It doesn’t take courage to answer an anonymous wingnut on the Internet. You asked a loaded question. That’s a fallacy, little camper.
Do you think that babies who survive abortions should be allowed to live, or should they be killed?
Yes, and I think Unicorns should be allowed to frolic in the fields with the rolly polly gumdrop goliaths and sweetest of sugar bears. I think that the flower scented werewolves should have free reign to bay at the moon and scratch the lovable teddies behind the ears. And yes, I believe that the one in many many million of aborted fetuses who are viable to breath the atmosphere should be given the chance to survive. But that was never the question, was it, hypocrite?
No, your question was this: should we support a President who wants such extremely rare occurrence ‘babies’ killed, without ever establishing that he wants such a thing at all. You are, in the very logical sense, begging the question and demanding agreement. I don’t think you know anything. I don’t think you can show evidence of anything. I think you are kinda full of shit.
m sturdevant
Nice diatribe. So do you think Melissa Ohden is lying? And if not, should she have been allowed to live?
We’ll forget Obama and everything else. Let’s see if you can handle this simple question without a splattering of tangients and profanity. It’s unbecoming of you.
I don’t know. I only know what she was told to remember. Does she remember waking up at 1 day old in a dumpster? seriously? Is that what you would have us believe?
And dude, learn to spell. Otherwise, it’s “unbecoming”.
Havre Voter
If your party was really concerned about children, you wouldn’t be constantly raving about he need to cut funding for their food and medical care. And if you really were looking to reduce the need for abortion you would support both control funding and coverage. But the votes of your party are in lockstep opposition to both food for kids and medical care. Your party tried to shut down the entire federal government over birth control- your opposition to it. This is rank hypocrisy and idiocy of the lowest level.
That is not true. The U.S. has spent more than $1 TRILLION dollars on fighting poverty since the advent of the Great Society (designed to get rid of poverty), and we now have more people on food stamps than at any time in our history.
Giving people free stuff teaches them, over the long term, to do one thing and one thing only- expect more free stuff. Helping them temporarily get back on their feet is one thing, but putting them “in the system” for years and years simply defeats them. If the inverse was true, we wouldn’t have 1 out of 6 people currently below the poverty line while we’ve managed over 200 separate welfare programs designed to help them. How many programs does it take?????
Oh and by the way. We’re completely broke. Out of money. Paying people to do nothing is going to turn us into Greece.
Paul S.
That’s right! Screw those lazy little kids – they don’t deserve food! (I guess since Republicans are reading this I need to point out the sarcasm which would be obvious to anyone else.)
The U.S. becoming Greece? That’s a joke. Want a comparison? Think Great Britain. They inflicted austerity on a weak economy and sunk back into recession, with rising unemployment, spreading misery and a worsening debt burden.
m sturdevant
I’ll agree that the U.S. will not likely sink as low as Greece because enough people here refuse to roll over and give up. They’re the very same people you mock and disparage. They’re the ones who pay the bills for this country.
Great Britain. Students rioting and attacking people because they don’t get their tuition essentially paid for. Yeah I’ll go with that. After all, we’ve got Obama’s friends and lackey’s in the OWS movement. Trying to burn down stores and kill cops. Just like the UK…
Paul S.
You are aware that Britain got there after they implemented what you are advocating …
m sturdevant
And exactly who do you think I’m advocating? We’re talking about concepts here. Even I don’t pretend that we can get down into the many, many different aspects of the UK’s massive and complex welfare system.
But that being said, the facts are the facts. If you pay people to do nothing for extended periods of time, they’re more inclined to do nothing. It’s really quite simple.
Virtually everyone in both parties is for a safety net of some sort for those people who really need it. But things have gotten out of hand.
m sturdevant
And I don’t buy your arguement that the British economy is identical to the U.S. economy. The Brits are slowly running out of money, like the rest of the European welfare state. That doesn’t give students an excuse to riot, especially because their tiny tuition costs are part of why the Brits are going broke in the first place.
You can’t just give everyone free money.
Lynn
Unemployment, Social Security etc, are not “Free Money” They are INSURANCE Policies that people pay into all their lives.
I hope all this people end up in jail for a very long time
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Wonder if they caught Annie Pukeacheck? You see, PRAYING over your patients is NOT exactly an approved medical technique worthy of reimBURSEment! But it is according to Dr. Annie the Fannie!
Wait, are you saying we’ve spent as much money trying to combat poverty since the 60′s as we did in a decade of foolish warfare in Iraq?
captbobalou
“When I saw the posts from Bowen it made me think of the fact that Barack Obama, when serving as a state senator, actually advocated for “aborted” babies (who accidentally survived the procedure) to be legally put to death by a second doctor, so as to not cause the first doctor emotional distress.”
Sources please. You won’t be persuasive unless you can cite fact.
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Bowen Dinkwood found Jaysus! Isn’t that special……..BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! A baldheaded CHURCH lady! They’re craigy’s people. They’re ALL Moore’ons! EMBRACE your flock, craig!
Seriously though, what a bunch of PATHETIC bastards!
Still don’t know what’s going on? Wll then, you haven’t read The Family by Jeff Sharlet. It’ll clear things right up for you.
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Did Bowen Dinkwood REALLY find JAYSUS? Or is he just an ignernt, inbred, pandering asshole?
Review of The Family
“One of the most compelling and brilliantly researched exposes you’ll ever read—just don’t read it alone at night!” (Barbara Ehrenreich, New York Times bestselling author of Nickel and Dimed and Bait and Switch )
“Of all the important studies of the American right, THE FAMILY is undoubtedly the most eloquent. It is also quite possibly the most terrifying.” (Thomas Frank, New York Times bestselling author of What’s the Matter with Kansas? )
“An astounding entrée to a fascinating Christian network unknown to most Americans. . . . A must-read for any American who wants to know who is actually pulling the strings at the highest levels of power.” (Heidi Ewing, co-director Jesus Camp )
“This is a gripping, utterly original narrative about an influential evangelical elite that few Americans even know exists. . . . The Christian Right will never look the same again.” (Michael Kazin, author of A Godly Hero: the Life of William Jennings Bryan and The Populist Persuasion: An American History )
“[Sharlet] has managed to infiltrate the most influential and secretive fundamentalist network in America, and ground his reporting in the most astute and original explanation of fundamentalism I’ve ever read. . . . Indispensable.” (Hanna Rosin, former religion reporter for the Washington Post and author of God’s Harvard: A Christian College on a Mission to Save the Nation )
“I was once an insider’s insider within fundamentalism. Unequivocally: Sharlet knows what he’s talking about. . . . Those who want to be un-deceived (and wildly entertained) must read this disturbing tour de force.” (Frank Schaeffer, author of Crazy For God: How I Grew Up As One Of The Elect, Helped Found The Religious Right, And Lived To Take All (Or Almost All) Of It Back )
“Un-American theocrats can only fool patriotic American democrats when there aren’t critics like Jeff Sharlet around—careful scholars and soulful writers who understand both the majesty of faith and the evil of its abuses. A remarkable accomplishment in the annals of writing about religion.” (Rick Perlstein, author of Nixonland: The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America )
“Jeff Sharlet provides a fascinating account of how part of American Christianity has gone off on a dangerous tangent. It should worry everyone—maybe especially those of us who understand the Gospels to be a call to help the powerless, not prop up the powerful.” (Bill McKibben, author of The End of Nature and The Bill McKibben Reader )
“Jeff Sharlet is one of the very best writers covering the politics of religion. Brilliantly reported and filled with wonderful anecdotes, THE FAMILY tells the story of an influential group that you haven’t previously heard of, and need to know about.” (Ken Silverstein, Washington editor of Harper’s and author of The Radioactive Boy Scout )
“A brilliant marriage of investigative journalism and history, an unsettling story of how this small but powerful group shaped the faith of the nation in the 20th century and drives the politics of empire in the 21st. Anyone interested in circles of power will love this book.” (Debby Applegate, author of the
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Oh my god! It’s true! Bowen Dinkwood found JAYSUS!
Ol’ Albert, a really, really smart dude said it MUCH better than all the Pubbie Moore’ons out there can. Take it away, Albert!
“The word ‘God’ is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, and religious scripture a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can (for me) change this.”
And I would add that it’s the HEIGHT of arrogance to think that anyone else GIVES two shits what you think about Jaysus! For it’s kinda personal. Too bad that the inbred Pubbies are giving religion a bad name. That’s real sad.
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Best quote yet about the debate, and from a PUBBIE no less!
Newt Gingrich about Romney? “How can you debate someone who lies about everything”?
Geat point, Newtie! And so true. But remember, it’s OKAY to lie to gentiles in the Moron religion. For we need that white horse now more than ever if’n we’re to get to the planet Kolob on time! You’all DO want to be Kolobians, doncha? Endless virgin wives, lots’a nooky forever, and evelators for you dressage horses! MY KINDA HEAVEN!
And to THINK that poor Ponce de Leon gets a bad rep for lookin’ for the fountain of youth. Shucks, ANYbody knows that that’s just goofy. But HEY, NUTHIN’ goofy ’bout endless nooky on planet Kolob! Right?!
And for the record, Ponce was NOT looking for a fountain that made you live forever. He was looking for the water that made you HORNY as long as you lived! Yippers! Nature’s on viagra! HEY, he was Latin! He is to be forgiven. Dude was muy golfo. He didn’t want to live forever, just stay HARD as long as he could!
Wow! Just wow! The Moore’ons are comin’ outta the WOODwork now!
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Do you think the Morons will baptize even ME after I’m gone? I hope so just in case. I like to keep all my bases covered, just in case! Ya never know!
bwaahahahahahahahahhahahahaaaa!
Moore’ons, STILL dumber than dog shit!
Doug
This post from the GOP Director’s blog about Jesus is somewhat revealing…
From the blog of the ED of the Montana State Republican Party. In his own words-I think this explains why he has such a hatred of women:
“Thirty five and completely unable to relate to women. At that time, I had never even had a second date. Not one, not in my entire life. The prospect of calling a woman was literally petrifying. I could not move my hand to the dial pad on the phone. All men deal with hard times about that, I know, but in my case… you don’t understand the terror. Freezing, unbearable terror.
Three hundred or more pounds. Sitting at home escaping into online fantasy worlds rather than interacting with even one real, in the flesh human being. Completely unable to make anything with my hands — unable even to change a fuse in my car.
And that’s only the beginning. I don’t think it’s a good idea to put all my failings out there on the internet.”
Greenwood says anyone running for office should “not lose site of any part of the Bible.” That includes the part that says gay people should be put to death, the part that condones slavery, and the part that says if you rape a women its cool as long as you pay her dad 50 pieces of silver (the equivalent of $500 bucks today.)
Farmboy
I just wonder how he feels about having a Mormon leading his party. After all Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan were brothers. And that when I husband and wife die and go to one of the five levels of heaven that they then start having sex and making spirit children, so that is why Mormons encourage large families on earth so the spirit children have bodies to live in. I know its kind funky. Hey it gets better Joe Smith the guy that founded Moronism he supposedly was given my God some gold tablets, and special reading glasses and that is how he got the book of Mormon. And after Joe Smith copied all this God took the Gold tablets and the reading glasses back to Heaven so they would not be on the next episode of Pawn Stars. Then after Joe Smith was hung in Missouri, the state that enducted Rush Limbaugh to their hall of fame, a guy named Brigham Young took over the church and moved them to present day Utah, where they continued to have polygomy and they even had a shooting war with the federal government and prayed the south would win the civil war, kinda like Derek Skees. All of this can be learned by reading which they teach you at the public schools.
Dave (not the anti birth control state legislator)
Not good I’m sure, Mr. Greenwood endorsed Santorum in he primary.
Farmboy
Oh and I forgot magic underware. Yes how could I forget that if you are Mormon you have to wear your magic underware, at all times, even during sex. Cause if you take off your magic underware then you get to go meet Jesus’s brother, Satan. So many requirements, but of course you maybe able to take off the magic underware if you have relatives praying for you that are in good standing with the Church and who pay their 10% every week. Then you might get into the lower level of heaven, its kinda like the difference between Motel 6 and Holiday Inn from my understanding.
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Do they have magic Depends? HEY, shit happens, right? People get old. There comes a time when magic ALONE won’t keep ya high and dry on religeeon!
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Here’s one for all the nasty BISHOPS out there. Take a break from the altar boys, and wacth and learn!
What if you are not a member of his religion? Does he contend that only members of his particular branch of superstition are worthy of being served by government? As a non-Christian, this makes me nervous.
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Clarence Darrow, “Why I Am An Agnostic”:
“Can any rational person believe that the Bible is anything but a human document? We now know pretty well where the various books came from, and about when they were written. We know that they were written by human beings who had no knowledge of science, little knowledge of life, and were influenced by the barbarous morality of primitive times, and were grossly ignorant of most things that men know today. For instance, Genesis says that God made the earth, and he made the sun to light the day and the moon to light the night, and in one clause disposes of the stars by saying that ‘he made the stars also.’ This was plainly written by someone who had no conception of the stars. Man, by the aid of his telescope, has looked out into the heavens and found stars whose diameter is as great as the distance between the earth and the sun. We know that the universe is filled with stars and suns and planets and systems. Every new telescope looking further into the heavens only discovers more and more worlds and suns and systems in the endless reaches of space. The men who wrote Genesis believed, of course, that this tiny speck of mud that we call the earth was the center of the universe, the only world in space, and made for man, who was the only being worth considering. These men believed that the stars were only a little way above the earth, and were set in the firmament for man to look at, and for nothing else. Everyone today knows that this conception is not true.
“The origin of the human race is not as blind a subject as it once was. Let alone God creating Adam out of hand, from the dust of the earth, does anyone believe that Eve was made from Adam’s rib–that the snake walked and spoke in the Garden of Eden–that he tempted Eve to persuade Adam to eat an apple, and that it is on that account that the whole human race was doomed to hell–that for four thousand years there was no chance for any human to be saved, though none of them had anything whatever to do with the temptation; and that finally men were saved only through God’s son dying for them, and that unless human beings believed this silly, impossible and wicked story they were doomed to hell? Can anyone with intelligence really believe that a child born today should be doomed because the snake tempted Eve and Eve tempted Adam? To believe that is not God-worship; it is devil-worship.
“Can anyone call this scheme of creation and damnation moral? It defies every principle of morality, as man conceives morality. Can anyone believe today that the whole world was destroyed by flood, save only Noah and his family and a male and female of each species of animal that entered the Ark? There are almost a million species of insects alone. How did Noah match these up and make sure of getting male and female to reproduce life in the world after the flood had spent its force? And why should all the lower animals have been destroyed? Were they included in the sinning of man? This is a story which could not beguile a fairly bright child of five years of age today.”
Dave, Lewis, Helena not Billings
Dave, not the anti birth control legislator, is giving me a bad rap. Under Obamacare, all health Insurance plans must offer birth control. So my bill will not affect state employee birth control. Which opens up a whole different discussion, but they are covered.
Ryan
So you admit your own bill has legal problems or Ali’s this another attempt to nullify the ACA like we had last session from Derek Skees and Jason Priest.
Yvette Carlson
Wrong, I watched the video and heard you say his bill would give you the power to restrict birth control. You are a fraud and a liar, but the video gives you away.
Larry Kralj, Mental Danger
If you were willing to tell the full story instead of being a hack as usual, you’d note that Bowen’s twitter about me page says “Some guy in Montana who has opinions that are his own, not his employers’.”
Yvette Carlson
It’s a public twitter feed from the top GOP official and spokesperson of the party.
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Please don’t use my name in your handle, dude. Not cool.
Second- if I threw over 5 trillion dollars at a problem, I think even I could create a couple jobs. I’d just be bankrupting the whole country in the process.
The irony is that Obama called George W Bush’s level of spending “unpatriotic.” I guess he was mad that GW wasn’t spending ENOUGH taxpayer money….
First, anyone with moderate intelligence can see that I’m making fun of the Republicant lie about creating jobs. They have no interest in doing so, and today are freaking out because Obama has done so.
Second, You admit that Obama’s efforts have worked at creating jobs, but bitch that he spent less than his predecessor did in creating negative job growth. So, somehow, some way, that Kenyon cannbal is responsible for the national debt and a bankruptcy that will never happen.
Third, and this is the important part, dipstick, you don’t care about the economy. You made very plain with your first comment about baby-killing. Just like this post presented, Republicants, you Sturdevant, don’t give a shit about America. You only want that Godly win in November. You ain’t gonna get it, and yes, I hope you suffer because of your stupidity. Stupidity should have consequences.
m sturdevant
No, anyone with moderate intelligence can see that there are much more fair and efficient ways of creating jobs than sending all your money to Washington and having them swirl it around, spend some of it, waste some of it, and then send a tiny fraction back to you.
The Keystone pipeline would create 20,000 jobs without the government needing to any more than what they’ve done, (less in fact). I go back to the draconian EPA regs they’re putting on coal that will force the power plant in Billings to shut down. And paying $2 billion to BRAZIL to commence with the exact same offshore drilling that he prohibits in the Gulf of Mexico.
If that’s “job creation,” then we have a very different set of definitions.
Obama only wants jobs for certain people that are his buddies or his pet projects. He has told the rest of us to go to hell through his actions.
m sturdevant
Second, apply the rate of debt growth FAIRLY (8 years vs. 4 years) and you see Obama has spent much more than GW. If I was Larry I’d throw in some stupid, mean spirited comment, but we all that serves no purpose.
Yes, Obama has spent and gotten a rather remarkable return on investment for it. Answer these, smart guy: How much market capitalization was generated by Bush in his last four years? Where was the DOW or HASDAQ when Bush stepped down? Where are they now? What is the taxable income return to the government now as opposed to January 2009? It’s higher isn’t it? A lot higher. Why are jobs important? Revenue, dipstick. It matters in any economic equation and you ignore it like the fool you are.
m sturdevant
And Thirdly, unlike you, I don’t wish that you’d suffer. Your hatred and bigotry blind you into saying stupid things. To imply that I don’t care about the economy is another stupid thing. I just figured that Larry would jump on my statements and say even more bizarre and stupid things.
He did. Now I can move on to the issue I really care about, which is the economy.
You’re the one who implied I enjoyed murder, asshole. You have no moral high ground here. A moral person, a ‘good Christian’ would have apologized. Instead you double down on your self-righteous bullshit. You say I’m a hater and a ‘bigot’. You accused me first, snowflake. You are a hypocrite.
m sturdevant
1. Who said I was a Christian?
2. You’re saying I don’t give a sh*t about America. Saying that without knowing who I am or what I’ve done is essentially anti-conservative bigotry.
3. I am not implying that you enjoy murder. I am, however, truly fascinated that you refuse to give a meaningful answer to the questions posed. You simply change the subject and lash out.
You don’t care about America, you’ve made that obvious. America is a nation of laws and you ignore working for law in favor of your pet bias. You are selfish, but hardly a fan of the country.
You did indeed imply that I enjoy murder. Do I have to quote your words? Quit lying. I gave you meaningful answers to your fallacious questions. They just weren’t the answers you wanted. That wasn’t changing the subject. It was calling you out for the bullshitter you are.
Now, why don’t you use your real name? Tell us who you are? You are happy to attack others behind a wall of anonymity. I’ve been showing you a liar under my own name. You challenged my courage and I’ve answered every call; now I’m doing the same to you. Who are you, liar?
None of us have a “right” to be alive. If we did, we would put vastly more money into childhood leukemia than we do into defense. We don’t. God, since our rights are God given, would put vastly more effort into keeping ‘Murkins alive. Not happening. I’m certain that’s Obama’s fault as well.
(What a yutz!)
3rd Party
(Disclaimer – new to the site and the conversation, was just reading through the thread)
@Rob – If you don’t think that humans have a right to be alive, how do you define what a “right” is?
You’d best read the political philosophers from the Enlightenment on. They would answer your questions. But I do have one for you: If you believe that humans have a “right” to live, why do we all, every one of us, die?
3rd Party
If not being guaranteed something forever means that it can’t be a right, then no one has any rights because, like you said, everyone will die and lose everything. Are you saying that rights don’t exist?
Dave Skinner
Amazing how my least favorite political issue always generates a firestorm. Which is why I stay the heck away most of the time.
But really, CG, trolling for religious-flavored tweets, what is this, like 7 over a period of a month? How many tweets total? And what ELSE were you trolling for? Sheesh.
Scoop
Watching m sturdevant take the arms off Kailey and Kralj has almost been as entertaining as watching Romney expose Obama for the fraud he is.
You must be talking about a different conversation than I read here. Sturdevant is an idiot and Rob did an exemplary job of pointing it out. Only the truly delusional would claim that Sturdevent prevailed in that “conversation”.
marion
“yeah! after a year of campaigning, our presidential nominee for the Repub party FINALLY did something to garner attention, sound somewhat presidential and gain a hint of momentum!!!” yells all Republicans. Unfortunately, Mittens is still trailing in all of the polls and will need a miracle from on high to win. Mitt is going the way of Michael Dukakis, Bob Dole, John Kerry, and John McCain – none of these presidential candidates could garner any support for themselves. People don’t win elections when voters are not voting FOR their candidate but voting against the opposition.
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Here’s another one of craig’s people, a real Moore’on! BTW, I hadn’t realized that slavery was a blessing! bhwhahahahahaaa! Gee, guess that I’m just a lousy christian, for I can’t see all of god’s blessings like THIS dipshit does!
Sex is for us holey dudes and altar boys, NOT for you silly wabbits who screw like wabbits! You can’t be trusted with private parts! They belong to me and GAWD!
Mark T
The question should be asked now and then – are the operatives than run this batshit site manipulative bastards or dumb shits. My vote is on both. Nothing could be less ,portent than the minutia hey highlight here, but it does occupy empty heads.
Lynn
I’d say this org. may be responsible for all of the Paid Trolls visting here lately
Abortion is simply one of those non-issues dreamed up by the rightwing think tanks to deflect attention away from REAL issues. You see, ya gotsa keep it simple enough that ANY inbred Moore’on can figure it out. Hence, a nice emotional theme like abortion, or babies on bayonets, get the inbred orgasmic quicker than anything! SO quick in fact that they shriek prayerfully in religeeous righteeous anger every time the altar-boy-porkin’ bishops WARN them that they’re goin’ straight to Perdition if they vote for O’Bama!
Yes, this election WILL be an IQ test for America. Are we REALLY to dumb to handle democracy? It’s gonna be close. I put my own personal seer stones, Vermin and Sputem UP my ass (for I lost my magic hat when the angel Baloni recalled it), and it says YES! We ARE too dumb! We’er ALl Moore’ons now!
Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
Got nuts, Tony Baloney? I thought not. Time to push back against the haters.
If a person makes the distinction between what a democracy and what a republic actually are then I hope our belief in “democracy” fails. Unlike some, I personally believe that every human has rights that did not come from government and that are inherent in our nature. I don’t believe that the majority can justly infringe on the rights of even the smallest minority and that’s why “democracy” (rule of the majority) scares me so much. I would love to see us go back to understanding the idea of the rule of law, as in a republic. And I’m not alone. Just look up what the people who wrote the Constitution had to say about democracy.
When I saw the posts from Bowen it made me think of the fact that Barack Obama, when serving as a state senator, actually advocated for “aborted” babies (who accidentally survived the procedure) to be legally put to death by a second doctor, so as to not cause the first doctor emotional distress.
You can hear a new political add that is narrated by a woman who was an aborted baby, thrown in a garbage can alive, and was rescued by a nurse who heard her crying. The nurse rescued her and saved her life.
So between Bowen’s posts and Barack’s votes, I’ll take Bowen’s posts any day.
“So between Bowen’s posts and Barack’s votes, I’ll take Bowen’s posts any day.”
Well of COURSE you will, TurdSavant, you’re an idiot! Have you found JAYSUS, dufus? What was the exact date and time that you were reborn?
bwhahhahahahahahahahahaa!
Too funny.
So I guess you’re OK with killing unwanted children? You have a real knack for not answering the question and instead spiraling off into a tirade of irrelevant, offensive, bigoted insults. By not being able to complete a simple thought, you’re forcing me to conclude that you’re fine with killing live children, even after they’re born, healthy and viable.
Or are you actually able to answer the question? Try really hard, I know you can do it.
Actually, I think that the REAL bigots are those who attempt to foist their OWN bizarre religious beliefs on the rest of us through legislation in our secular democracy! Sound familar? It should.
I’m fine with it.
Let’s be clear. We are not talking about abortion.
We’re talking about babies that, for whatever reason, survive an abortion. The president went on record as saying that he was fine with them being killed after the fact. And you say you’re fine with then killing them.
I think those comments stand on their own merit.
Oh please, this is a total crock of B.S.
Larry doesn’t seem to think so. He’s fine with it.
I’m fine with it becuase it’s simply another rightwing myth, TurdSavant. That’s all.
Now, answer MY question. When were you born again, dufus? And why should we care? Runnin’ round with your religion all hangin’ out is kinda like runnin’ round with your WINGding hangin’ out! No one wants to see that worm! So, put’em BOTH back in your pants, Turd! You’re simply rude and arrogant!
That’s all.
Any links to prove this “fact” of yours?
Or are we to all of the sudden to take the word of people who think that women should carry their rapists babies to term?
You and I apparently have a very different idea of what a “fact” is. I’ve seen the claim you’ve made many times by the religiously gullible, but never once seen the evidence for it. Do you have any, or is this just ‘something you heard’?
Some Facts
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/05/966121/obamacare-birth-control-abortion/
I don’t know what this has to do with the topic we’re discussing. We might as well thrown in a conversation about Obama destroying the coal industry, or banning off shore U.S. drilling in the gulf while sending $2 billion in loan guarantees to Brazil so they can drill offshore and we can buy it from then. Please try to stay relevant.
You’re the one not on topic buddy. This is about how the GOP’s top concern is not jobs and the economy, but rather waging a War on Women. You prove the point with every wacky post you make.
This war on women BS is the most ridiculous bunch of tripe I’ve ever heard. So Bill Maher calls Sarah Palin a c*nt and he’s applauded. And Obama takes $1,000,000 from him.
Here’s just a snapshot of what the left does to women.
[SOURCE: MEDIA RESEARCH CENTER]
What is funny is that Schultz’s disapproval came less than two months after she appeared on Bill Maher’s “Real Time” program on HBO. Unconstrained by broadcast decency codes and advertising, Maher and guests lash out at conservative women in some of the nastiest language and sexual imagery imaginable.
In September, 2011, Maher was talking about Texas Gov. Rick Perry and decided to throw in a vulgar Sarah Palin joke: “He sounded like a sixth grader who didn’t do the reading. Garbled syntax, messing up simple facts, sentences that went nowhere. Sarah Palin was watching and she said, ‘If only he was black, I’d f*@k him.’”
That was actually pretty mild for Maher. In March, 2011, he called Palin a “dumb twat.” The same month, according to the Dallas Voice, at a public appearance in Texas, Maher called Palin a “c*nt” and said “there’s just no other word for her.”
Also on Maher’s hit parade:
•In September, 2011, he called Rep. Michele Bachmann “mentally retarded.”
•In January, Maher mocked Callista Gingrich as a Martian.
•In October 2011, Maher said that if conservative pundit Michelle Malkin were told of how much killing President Obama had ordered without knowing anything else about him she’d “name her vibrator ‘Obama.’”
By the way… Bill Maher also made a movie that mocks Islam worse than the video the white house tried to blame the Libyan terrorist attack on. But I guess so few people watched it, even the Islamic extremists don’t know they’re supposed to be upset yet.
Ohs nos! Someone insulted someone else and that’s proof of hatred. But denial of rights? Passing health laws based on biblical biology? Defining the roles woman are allowed in our great male wonderland? Yeah, things that actually affect other things are just a myth.
These insults are everywhere out there. Where is NOW? Of course, they’re nowhere to be found.
The funniest part about this whole thing is that I’m not even talking about abortion (my early posts emphasized that this was NOT about abortion, it was about advocating that living abortion survivors be allowed to be killed).
I’m not even pro-life. I’m just sick of liberal lies and hypocracy.
Actually NOW put out a statement condemning the sexist treatment of Sarah Palin. You just missed it because you only follow FAUX news approved sources. What you’re sick of are the lies you willingly coprophage every fricking day. The hypocrisy that gives you that awful feeling in your tummyworks is your own.
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/obama-and-infanticide/
You can read Obama’s legislative testimony and make your own determination. Bottom line up front, abortion to him is far more important than human life.
You realize that link doesn’t support anything you wrote, right?
So do you think that Melissa Ohden is lying? It seems that the administration would pounce on this if it was a lie. (insert sound of crickets chirping)
I don’t know if she’s lying. What I do know is that if she’s not, then she was thrown in a dumpster about the time Obama was 20, maybe 25. Her anecdote has nothing to do with Obama’s voting record. And you are now concern trolling, demanding response for something that doesn’t require it? Buy the way, sturdevant, when did you stop beating your wife … or have you? (See how your game is played?)
You unwillingness to link Obama’s vote to the real issue is telling.
It’s just like the IPAB provision in Obamacare. I couldn’t make this stuff up if I tried….
I noticed that too.
I realize that Obama can try to hide behind semantics regarding the federal laws and what he claims were his motivations after the fact. Anyone with a brain can read between the lines and, per what I said before, realize that the president is far more concerned about making sure there can be abortions than he is about protecting the lives of babies who survive them.
It is admittedly hard to get a strait answer from a president who lies about so much. But one can still connect the dots from time to time.
Yes, conspiracy nuts often “connect the dots”. Have you connected these yet? Obama => black => African => Kenyan => cannibal => eats dead babies, LOVES ABORTION FOR THE NOMS!
How many ‘people’ each year ‘survive’ an abortion? 1? 3? 1 every 3 years? An answer with fact might be better than one anecdote of a dumpster baby.
That sounds very compassionate.
I asked a fact based question. Do you have an answer?
How many people each year “survive” an abortion? Do you have an answer? Do you?
Well Said:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/05/1140837/-The-GOP-war-against-Reality
Let’s do a quick compassion check – the law in question would require a fetus to have all the rights of a born-alive infant, even if there was NO CHANCE that he or she would survive. So, if y’all types are right and fetuses feel pain at an early age, you’re requiring that any fetus to still have some nervous system function after an abortion be kept alive to experience a little bit more pain before it passes out of the world, when there is no chance that it will ever experience anything else.
There’s some compassion.
Now, I generally oppose abortion at any stage in pregnancy where a fetus could be potentially viable outside it’s mother’s uterus. But that’s a story for another day.
m sturdevant, but shorter = “Facts about Obama don’t matter, only my unprovable beliefs about Obama matter.”
Obama has lied on virtually every major initiative he’s put forward. He lied about government funding of abortion in Obamacare. He lied about the IPAB panel, (even George Will gets that).
He lied about how much he’d reduce the deficit and unemployment, (or perhaps it’d be better to say that he knew he was talking out his ass when he threw out bogus numbers).
He lied about posting bills on the net for review 72 hours before they’re voted on. He lied about not letting lobbyists be a part of his administration. He and his state department just lied about Libya.
He lied about Mitt Romney’s “tax cut” of 5 trillion dollars for the “wealthy.”
He lied about how much Obamacare would cost.
His VP lied about saving 1,000,000 auto jobs when the entire U.S. automobile industry doesn’t even employ that many people.
I’m frankly at a loss to find something he hasn’t lied about.
But I’m sure it’s all Bush’s fault….
Here’s the youtube video that shows one of the abortion survivors. You can gauge her level of authenticity….
We can proabably get a mailing address if you’d like to send her a letter saying that you wish she was dead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwFIEprF_9Y
Sturdevant, the laws before the Illinois legislature were not about killing viable fetuses but about redefining when “life” begins in a way that undercuts the existing law of the land.
As to your personal assessment of me and my values there is only one appropriate response: Fuck you, you hypocritical piece of shit. You don’t know me, or what I value.
So would you have supported her being killed, or do you think she deserves to be alive?
I don’t think of her at all, asshole, nor am I required to weigh her moral circumstances against what I believe is righteous, even by your twisted view of religion. Quit offering false dilemmas. They are pretty transparent, and show you to be a hypocrite.
So are you saying that she’s making a false claim?
Where did I write that? You are making this up as you go, and losing ground by the second.
You can create whatever parameters you want to in order to try and conjure up the courage to answer the question.
Do you think that babies who survive abortions should be allowed to live, or should they be killed?
It doesn’t take courage to answer an anonymous wingnut on the Internet. You asked a loaded question. That’s a fallacy, little camper.
Yes, and I think Unicorns should be allowed to frolic in the fields with the rolly polly gumdrop goliaths and sweetest of sugar bears. I think that the flower scented werewolves should have free reign to bay at the moon and scratch the lovable teddies behind the ears. And yes, I believe that the one in many many million of aborted fetuses who are viable to breath the atmosphere should be given the chance to survive. But that was never the question, was it, hypocrite?
No, your question was this: should we support a President who wants such extremely rare occurrence ‘babies’ killed, without ever establishing that he wants such a thing at all. You are, in the very logical sense, begging the question and demanding agreement. I don’t think you know anything. I don’t think you can show evidence of anything. I think you are kinda full of shit.
Nice diatribe. So do you think Melissa Ohden is lying? And if not, should she have been allowed to live?
We’ll forget Obama and everything else. Let’s see if you can handle this simple question without a splattering of tangients and profanity. It’s unbecoming of you.
I don’t know. I only know what she was told to remember. Does she remember waking up at 1 day old in a dumpster? seriously? Is that what you would have us believe?
And dude, learn to spell. Otherwise, it’s “unbecoming”.
If your party was really concerned about children, you wouldn’t be constantly raving about he need to cut funding for their food and medical care. And if you really were looking to reduce the need for abortion you would support both control funding and coverage. But the votes of your party are in lockstep opposition to both food for kids and medical care. Your party tried to shut down the entire federal government over birth control- your opposition to it. This is rank hypocrisy and idiocy of the lowest level.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/04/958951/oklahoma-cuts-off-federal-funding-for-planned-parenthood/
That is not true. The U.S. has spent more than $1 TRILLION dollars on fighting poverty since the advent of the Great Society (designed to get rid of poverty), and we now have more people on food stamps than at any time in our history.
Giving people free stuff teaches them, over the long term, to do one thing and one thing only- expect more free stuff. Helping them temporarily get back on their feet is one thing, but putting them “in the system” for years and years simply defeats them. If the inverse was true, we wouldn’t have 1 out of 6 people currently below the poverty line while we’ve managed over 200 separate welfare programs designed to help them. How many programs does it take?????
Oh and by the way. We’re completely broke. Out of money. Paying people to do nothing is going to turn us into Greece.
That’s right! Screw those lazy little kids – they don’t deserve food! (I guess since Republicans are reading this I need to point out the sarcasm which would be obvious to anyone else.)
The U.S. becoming Greece? That’s a joke. Want a comparison? Think Great Britain. They inflicted austerity on a weak economy and sunk back into recession, with rising unemployment, spreading misery and a worsening debt burden.
I’ll agree that the U.S. will not likely sink as low as Greece because enough people here refuse to roll over and give up. They’re the very same people you mock and disparage. They’re the ones who pay the bills for this country.
Great Britain. Students rioting and attacking people because they don’t get their tuition essentially paid for. Yeah I’ll go with that. After all, we’ve got Obama’s friends and lackey’s in the OWS movement. Trying to burn down stores and kill cops. Just like the UK…
You are aware that Britain got there after they implemented what you are advocating …
And exactly who do you think I’m advocating? We’re talking about concepts here. Even I don’t pretend that we can get down into the many, many different aspects of the UK’s massive and complex welfare system.
But that being said, the facts are the facts. If you pay people to do nothing for extended periods of time, they’re more inclined to do nothing. It’s really quite simple.
Virtually everyone in both parties is for a safety net of some sort for those people who really need it. But things have gotten out of hand.
And I don’t buy your arguement that the British economy is identical to the U.S. economy. The Brits are slowly running out of money, like the rest of the European welfare state. That doesn’t give students an excuse to riot, especially because their tiny tuition costs are part of why the Brits are going broke in the first place.
You can’t just give everyone free money.
Unemployment, Social Security etc, are not “Free Money” They are INSURANCE Policies that people pay into all their lives.
The Free Money I see is like this:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-430-million-healthcare-fraud-20121004,0,3526323.story
I hope all this people end up in jail for a very long time
Wonder if they caught Annie Pukeacheck? You see, PRAYING over your patients is NOT exactly an approved medical technique worthy of reimBURSEment! But it is according to Dr. Annie the Fannie!
Wait, are you saying we’ve spent as much money trying to combat poverty since the 60′s as we did in a decade of foolish warfare in Iraq?
“When I saw the posts from Bowen it made me think of the fact that Barack Obama, when serving as a state senator, actually advocated for “aborted” babies (who accidentally survived the procedure) to be legally put to death by a second doctor, so as to not cause the first doctor emotional distress.”
Sources please. You won’t be persuasive unless you can cite fact.
Bowen Dinkwood found Jaysus! Isn’t that special……..BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! A baldheaded CHURCH lady! They’re craigy’s people. They’re ALL Moore’ons! EMBRACE your flock, craig!
Seriously though, what a bunch of PATHETIC bastards!
Still don’t know what’s going on? Wll then, you haven’t read The Family by Jeff Sharlet. It’ll clear things right up for you.
Did Bowen Dinkwood REALLY find JAYSUS? Or is he just an ignernt, inbred, pandering asshole?
In any case, this is for Mr. Dinkwood!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg
http://www.amazon.com/The-Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-American/dp/0060559799
Review of The Family
“One of the most compelling and brilliantly researched exposes you’ll ever read—just don’t read it alone at night!” (Barbara Ehrenreich, New York Times bestselling author of Nickel and Dimed and Bait and Switch )
“Of all the important studies of the American right, THE FAMILY is undoubtedly the most eloquent. It is also quite possibly the most terrifying.” (Thomas Frank, New York Times bestselling author of What’s the Matter with Kansas? )
“An astounding entrée to a fascinating Christian network unknown to most Americans. . . . A must-read for any American who wants to know who is actually pulling the strings at the highest levels of power.” (Heidi Ewing, co-director Jesus Camp )
“This is a gripping, utterly original narrative about an influential evangelical elite that few Americans even know exists. . . . The Christian Right will never look the same again.” (Michael Kazin, author of A Godly Hero: the Life of William Jennings Bryan and The Populist Persuasion: An American History )
“[Sharlet] has managed to infiltrate the most influential and secretive fundamentalist network in America, and ground his reporting in the most astute and original explanation of fundamentalism I’ve ever read. . . . Indispensable.” (Hanna Rosin, former religion reporter for the Washington Post and author of God’s Harvard: A Christian College on a Mission to Save the Nation )
“I was once an insider’s insider within fundamentalism. Unequivocally: Sharlet knows what he’s talking about. . . . Those who want to be un-deceived (and wildly entertained) must read this disturbing tour de force.” (Frank Schaeffer, author of Crazy For God: How I Grew Up As One Of The Elect, Helped Found The Religious Right, And Lived To Take All (Or Almost All) Of It Back )
“Un-American theocrats can only fool patriotic American democrats when there aren’t critics like Jeff Sharlet around—careful scholars and soulful writers who understand both the majesty of faith and the evil of its abuses. A remarkable accomplishment in the annals of writing about religion.” (Rick Perlstein, author of Nixonland: The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America )
“Jeff Sharlet provides a fascinating account of how part of American Christianity has gone off on a dangerous tangent. It should worry everyone—maybe especially those of us who understand the Gospels to be a call to help the powerless, not prop up the powerful.” (Bill McKibben, author of The End of Nature and The Bill McKibben Reader )
“Jeff Sharlet is one of the very best writers covering the politics of religion. Brilliantly reported and filled with wonderful anecdotes, THE FAMILY tells the story of an influential group that you haven’t previously heard of, and need to know about.” (Ken Silverstein, Washington editor of Harper’s and author of The Radioactive Boy Scout )
“A brilliant marriage of investigative journalism and history, an unsettling story of how this small but powerful group shaped the faith of the nation in the 20th century and drives the politics of empire in the 21st. Anyone interested in circles of power will love this book.” (Debby Applegate, author of the
Oh my god! It’s true! Bowen Dinkwood found JAYSUS!
Here’s the special report!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GOg54qSAfQ&feature=related
Willard’s god is gold plated
Mitt’s loins never sated
If his hair weren’t on fire
Rove’s jowls light the pyre
Intelligence has just been degraded.
Republican “Christian Values”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/04/mexican-cafe-gets-death-threats-after-refusing-romney-visit/
Ol’ Albert, a really, really smart dude said it MUCH better than all the Pubbie Moore’ons out there can. Take it away, Albert!
“The word ‘God’ is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, and religious scripture a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can (for me) change this.”
And I would add that it’s the HEIGHT of arrogance to think that anyone else GIVES two shits what you think about Jaysus! For it’s kinda personal. Too bad that the inbred Pubbies are giving religion a bad name. That’s real sad.
Best quote yet about the debate, and from a PUBBIE no less!
Newt Gingrich about Romney? “How can you debate someone who lies about everything”?
Geat point, Newtie! And so true. But remember, it’s OKAY to lie to gentiles in the Moron religion. For we need that white horse now more than ever if’n we’re to get to the planet Kolob on time! You’all DO want to be Kolobians, doncha? Endless virgin wives, lots’a nooky forever, and evelators for you dressage horses! MY KINDA HEAVEN!
And to THINK that poor Ponce de Leon gets a bad rep for lookin’ for the fountain of youth. Shucks, ANYbody knows that that’s just goofy. But HEY, NUTHIN’ goofy ’bout endless nooky on planet Kolob! Right?!
And for the record, Ponce was NOT looking for a fountain that made you live forever. He was looking for the water that made you HORNY as long as you lived! Yippers! Nature’s on viagra! HEY, he was Latin! He is to be forgiven. Dude was muy golfo. He didn’t want to live forever, just stay HARD as long as he could!
Wow! Just wow! The Moore’ons are comin’ outta the WOODwork now!
Do you think the Morons will baptize even ME after I’m gone? I hope so just in case. I like to keep all my bases covered, just in case! Ya never know!
bwaahahahahahahahahhahahahaaaa!
Moore’ons, STILL dumber than dog shit!
This post from the GOP Director’s blog about Jesus is somewhat revealing…
http://www.takingjesusseriously.com/2012/05/15/fathers-matter/
From the blog of the ED of the Montana State Republican Party. In his own words-I think this explains why he has such a hatred of women:
“Thirty five and completely unable to relate to women. At that time, I had never even had a second date. Not one, not in my entire life. The prospect of calling a woman was literally petrifying. I could not move my hand to the dial pad on the phone. All men deal with hard times about that, I know, but in my case… you don’t understand the terror. Freezing, unbearable terror.
Three hundred or more pounds. Sitting at home escaping into online fantasy worlds rather than interacting with even one real, in the flesh human being. Completely unable to make anything with my hands — unable even to change a fuse in my car.
And that’s only the beginning. I don’t think it’s a good idea to put all my failings out there on the internet.”
http://www.takingjesusseriously.com/2012/05/15/fathers-matter/
Greenwood says anyone running for office should “not lose site of any part of the Bible.” That includes the part that says gay people should be put to death, the part that condones slavery, and the part that says if you rape a women its cool as long as you pay her dad 50 pieces of silver (the equivalent of $500 bucks today.)
I just wonder how he feels about having a Mormon leading his party. After all Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan were brothers. And that when I husband and wife die and go to one of the five levels of heaven that they then start having sex and making spirit children, so that is why Mormons encourage large families on earth so the spirit children have bodies to live in. I know its kind funky. Hey it gets better Joe Smith the guy that founded Moronism he supposedly was given my God some gold tablets, and special reading glasses and that is how he got the book of Mormon. And after Joe Smith copied all this God took the Gold tablets and the reading glasses back to Heaven so they would not be on the next episode of Pawn Stars. Then after Joe Smith was hung in Missouri, the state that enducted Rush Limbaugh to their hall of fame, a guy named Brigham Young took over the church and moved them to present day Utah, where they continued to have polygomy and they even had a shooting war with the federal government and prayed the south would win the civil war, kinda like Derek Skees. All of this can be learned by reading which they teach you at the public schools.
Not good I’m sure, Mr. Greenwood endorsed Santorum in he primary.
Oh and I forgot magic underware. Yes how could I forget that if you are Mormon you have to wear your magic underware, at all times, even during sex. Cause if you take off your magic underware then you get to go meet Jesus’s brother, Satan. So many requirements, but of course you maybe able to take off the magic underware if you have relatives praying for you that are in good standing with the Church and who pay their 10% every week. Then you might get into the lower level of heaven, its kinda like the difference between Motel 6 and Holiday Inn from my understanding.
Do they have magic Depends? HEY, shit happens, right? People get old. There comes a time when magic ALONE won’t keep ya high and dry on religeeon!
Here’s one for all the nasty BISHOPS out there. Take a break from the altar boys, and wacth and learn!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbdTMK66tq4&feature=player_embedded#!
What if you are not a member of his religion? Does he contend that only members of his particular branch of superstition are worthy of being served by government? As a non-Christian, this makes me nervous.
Clarence Darrow, “Why I Am An Agnostic”:
“Can any rational person believe that the Bible is anything but a human document? We now know pretty well where the various books came from, and about when they were written. We know that they were written by human beings who had no knowledge of science, little knowledge of life, and were influenced by the barbarous morality of primitive times, and were grossly ignorant of most things that men know today. For instance, Genesis says that God made the earth, and he made the sun to light the day and the moon to light the night, and in one clause disposes of the stars by saying that ‘he made the stars also.’ This was plainly written by someone who had no conception of the stars. Man, by the aid of his telescope, has looked out into the heavens and found stars whose diameter is as great as the distance between the earth and the sun. We know that the universe is filled with stars and suns and planets and systems. Every new telescope looking further into the heavens only discovers more and more worlds and suns and systems in the endless reaches of space. The men who wrote Genesis believed, of course, that this tiny speck of mud that we call the earth was the center of the universe, the only world in space, and made for man, who was the only being worth considering. These men believed that the stars were only a little way above the earth, and were set in the firmament for man to look at, and for nothing else. Everyone today knows that this conception is not true.
“The origin of the human race is not as blind a subject as it once was. Let alone God creating Adam out of hand, from the dust of the earth, does anyone believe that Eve was made from Adam’s rib–that the snake walked and spoke in the Garden of Eden–that he tempted Eve to persuade Adam to eat an apple, and that it is on that account that the whole human race was doomed to hell–that for four thousand years there was no chance for any human to be saved, though none of them had anything whatever to do with the temptation; and that finally men were saved only through God’s son dying for them, and that unless human beings believed this silly, impossible and wicked story they were doomed to hell? Can anyone with intelligence really believe that a child born today should be doomed because the snake tempted Eve and Eve tempted Adam? To believe that is not God-worship; it is devil-worship.
“Can anyone call this scheme of creation and damnation moral? It defies every principle of morality, as man conceives morality. Can anyone believe today that the whole world was destroyed by flood, save only Noah and his family and a male and female of each species of animal that entered the Ark? There are almost a million species of insects alone. How did Noah match these up and make sure of getting male and female to reproduce life in the world after the flood had spent its force? And why should all the lower animals have been destroyed? Were they included in the sinning of man? This is a story which could not beguile a fairly bright child of five years of age today.”
Dave, not the anti birth control legislator, is giving me a bad rap. Under Obamacare, all health Insurance plans must offer birth control. So my bill will not affect state employee birth control. Which opens up a whole different discussion, but they are covered.
So you admit your own bill has legal problems or Ali’s this another attempt to nullify the ACA like we had last session from Derek Skees and Jason Priest.
Wrong, I watched the video and heard you say his bill would give you the power to restrict birth control. You are a fraud and a liar, but the video gives you away.
If you were willing to tell the full story instead of being a hack as usual, you’d note that Bowen’s twitter about me page says “Some guy in Montana who has opinions that are his own, not his employers’.”
It’s a public twitter feed from the top GOP official and spokesperson of the party.
Please don’t use my name in your handle, dude. Not cool.
Screw creating jobs! Apparently even Obama can do that. No, you need to vote Republicant because of blowjobs and teh Gay.
First- what in the world are you talking about?
Second- if I threw over 5 trillion dollars at a problem, I think even I could create a couple jobs. I’d just be bankrupting the whole country in the process.
The irony is that Obama called George W Bush’s level of spending “unpatriotic.” I guess he was mad that GW wasn’t spending ENOUGH taxpayer money….
First, anyone with moderate intelligence can see that I’m making fun of the Republicant lie about creating jobs. They have no interest in doing so, and today are freaking out because Obama has done so.
Second, You admit that Obama’s efforts have worked at creating jobs, but bitch that he spent less than his predecessor did in creating negative job growth. So, somehow, some way, that Kenyon cannbal is responsible for the national debt and a bankruptcy that will never happen.
Third, and this is the important part, dipstick, you don’t care about the economy. You made very plain with your first comment about baby-killing. Just like this post presented, Republicants, you Sturdevant, don’t give a shit about America. You only want that Godly win in November. You ain’t gonna get it, and yes, I hope you suffer because of your stupidity. Stupidity should have consequences.
No, anyone with moderate intelligence can see that there are much more fair and efficient ways of creating jobs than sending all your money to Washington and having them swirl it around, spend some of it, waste some of it, and then send a tiny fraction back to you.
The Keystone pipeline would create 20,000 jobs without the government needing to any more than what they’ve done, (less in fact). I go back to the draconian EPA regs they’re putting on coal that will force the power plant in Billings to shut down. And paying $2 billion to BRAZIL to commence with the exact same offshore drilling that he prohibits in the Gulf of Mexico.
If that’s “job creation,” then we have a very different set of definitions.
Obama only wants jobs for certain people that are his buddies or his pet projects. He has told the rest of us to go to hell through his actions.
Second, apply the rate of debt growth FAIRLY (8 years vs. 4 years) and you see Obama has spent much more than GW. If I was Larry I’d throw in some stupid, mean spirited comment, but we all that serves no purpose.
Yes, Obama has spent and gotten a rather remarkable return on investment for it. Answer these, smart guy: How much market capitalization was generated by Bush in his last four years? Where was the DOW or HASDAQ when Bush stepped down? Where are they now? What is the taxable income return to the government now as opposed to January 2009? It’s higher isn’t it? A lot higher. Why are jobs important? Revenue, dipstick. It matters in any economic equation and you ignore it like the fool you are.
And Thirdly, unlike you, I don’t wish that you’d suffer. Your hatred and bigotry blind you into saying stupid things. To imply that I don’t care about the economy is another stupid thing. I just figured that Larry would jump on my statements and say even more bizarre and stupid things.
He did. Now I can move on to the issue I really care about, which is the economy.
You’re the one who implied I enjoyed murder, asshole. You have no moral high ground here. A moral person, a ‘good Christian’ would have apologized. Instead you double down on your self-righteous bullshit. You say I’m a hater and a ‘bigot’. You accused me first, snowflake. You are a hypocrite.
1. Who said I was a Christian?
2. You’re saying I don’t give a sh*t about America. Saying that without knowing who I am or what I’ve done is essentially anti-conservative bigotry.
3. I am not implying that you enjoy murder. I am, however, truly fascinated that you refuse to give a meaningful answer to the questions posed. You simply change the subject and lash out.
You don’t care about America, you’ve made that obvious. America is a nation of laws and you ignore working for law in favor of your pet bias. You are selfish, but hardly a fan of the country.
You did indeed imply that I enjoy murder. Do I have to quote your words? Quit lying. I gave you meaningful answers to your fallacious questions. They just weren’t the answers you wanted. That wasn’t changing the subject. It was calling you out for the bullshitter you are.
Now, why don’t you use your real name? Tell us who you are? You are happy to attack others behind a wall of anonymity. I’ve been showing you a liar under my own name. You challenged my courage and I’ve answered every call; now I’m doing the same to you. Who are you, liar?
That figures. The very second you are asked to declare yourself as a ‘real boy’ you flee with your swollen nose whacking every obstruction before you.
4. Do you think Melissa’s lying or not? And if she’s not lying, do you think she deserves to be alive?
To quote one of my favorite Clint Eastwood movies : deservings got nuthin to do with it.
Soooooooooo…. One more time. Do you think Melissa is lying????
And if she isn’t, then does she have a right to be alive?
Seriously. You can do this if you try really really hard.
Go away troll. Your crackpot conspiracy theories are tiresome.
And don’t come back until you can explain why your party opposes birth control if it claims it wants to reduce abortions.
None of us have a “right” to be alive. If we did, we would put vastly more money into childhood leukemia than we do into defense. We don’t. God, since our rights are God given, would put vastly more effort into keeping ‘Murkins alive. Not happening. I’m certain that’s Obama’s fault as well.
(What a yutz!)
(Disclaimer – new to the site and the conversation, was just reading through the thread)
@Rob – If you don’t think that humans have a right to be alive, how do you define what a “right” is?
You’d best read the political philosophers from the Enlightenment on. They would answer your questions. But I do have one for you: If you believe that humans have a “right” to live, why do we all, every one of us, die?
If not being guaranteed something forever means that it can’t be a right, then no one has any rights because, like you said, everyone will die and lose everything. Are you saying that rights don’t exist?
Amazing how my least favorite political issue always generates a firestorm. Which is why I stay the heck away most of the time.
But really, CG, trolling for religious-flavored tweets, what is this, like 7 over a period of a month? How many tweets total? And what ELSE were you trolling for? Sheesh.
Watching m sturdevant take the arms off Kailey and Kralj has almost been as entertaining as watching Romney expose Obama for the fraud he is.
from what planet are you watching, sir?
You must be talking about a different conversation than I read here. Sturdevant is an idiot and Rob did an exemplary job of pointing it out. Only the truly delusional would claim that Sturdevent prevailed in that “conversation”.
“yeah! after a year of campaigning, our presidential nominee for the Repub party FINALLY did something to garner attention, sound somewhat presidential and gain a hint of momentum!!!” yells all Republicans. Unfortunately, Mittens is still trailing in all of the polls and will need a miracle from on high to win. Mitt is going the way of Michael Dukakis, Bob Dole, John Kerry, and John McCain – none of these presidential candidates could garner any support for themselves. People don’t win elections when voters are not voting FOR their candidate but voting against the opposition.
Here’s another one of craig’s people, a real Moore’on! BTW, I hadn’t realized that slavery was a blessing! bhwhahahahahaaa! Gee, guess that I’m just a lousy christian, for I can’t see all of god’s blessings like THIS dipshit does!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/jon-hubbard-arkansas-slavery-book_n_1943661.html
HOLY SHIT!! Not Pope Nazi the First??
Luv it. Take BACK the Church, Catholics! Hell, it’s your church anyways!
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/05/catholic-theologian-unseat-pope-and-push-authoritarian-church-to-radical-reform/
What’s no to love! Put it back in your PANTS, you nasty sinners! I’LL tell you what to do with your privates!
http://www.unsaccodicanapa.com/others/ratzinger.jpg
Sex is for us holey dudes and altar boys, NOT for you silly wabbits who screw like wabbits! You can’t be trusted with private parts! They belong to me and GAWD!
The question should be asked now and then – are the operatives than run this batshit site manipulative bastards or dumb shits. My vote is on both. Nothing could be less ,portent than the minutia hey highlight here, but it does occupy empty heads.
I’d say this org. may be responsible for all of the Paid Trolls visting here lately
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/10/anti-abortion-group-launches-new-super-pac
Yes, but, they’re all MOORE’ONS! Embrace your people, craigy. Dumb as dog shit!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/06/paul-broun-evolution-big-bang_n_1944808.html
Yippers! From the “pit of hell”! Who needs science anyways, right?
This asshole is a friggin’ MD ferchrissakes! Sumthin’ REAL wrong with a “krisyean” dude like this! Mental illness maybe?
Alternate reality FITS these dumb sumbitches! Welcome to Mullah Murca!
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/06/maddow-right-wing-copying-iranian-mullas-by-creating-their-own-reality/
Abortion is simply one of those non-issues dreamed up by the rightwing think tanks to deflect attention away from REAL issues. You see, ya gotsa keep it simple enough that ANY inbred Moore’on can figure it out. Hence, a nice emotional theme like abortion, or babies on bayonets, get the inbred orgasmic quicker than anything! SO quick in fact that they shriek prayerfully in religeeous righteeous anger every time the altar-boy-porkin’ bishops WARN them that they’re goin’ straight to Perdition if they vote for O’Bama!
Yes, this election WILL be an IQ test for America. Are we REALLY to dumb to handle democracy? It’s gonna be close. I put my own personal seer stones, Vermin and Sputem UP my ass (for I lost my magic hat when the angel Baloni recalled it), and it says YES! We ARE too dumb! We’er ALl Moore’ons now!
Got nuts, Tony Baloney? I thought not. Time to push back against the haters.
http://holybulliesandheadlessmonsters.blogspot.com/2012/10/hate-group-doesnt-have-guts-to-sue-dan.html
Another non-issue.
If a person makes the distinction between what a democracy and what a republic actually are then I hope our belief in “democracy” fails. Unlike some, I personally believe that every human has rights that did not come from government and that are inherent in our nature. I don’t believe that the majority can justly infringe on the rights of even the smallest minority and that’s why “democracy” (rule of the majority) scares me so much. I would love to see us go back to understanding the idea of the rule of law, as in a republic. And I’m not alone. Just look up what the people who wrote the Constitution had to say about democracy.
Libeling others is not permitted. This thread is closed.