Posted: December 5, 2012 at 6:59 am

Nuggets of Wisdom

Birther Bob Wagner is back.

Jerry O'Neil
Rep. Jerry O’Neil (R-TEA Columbia Falls)
Montana Representative "Birther" Bob Wagner
Former Rep. “Birther” Bob Wagner (R-Harrison)

The former GOP state legislator from Harrison penned a guest editorial in the Flathead Beacon defending the Republican legislator who demanded to be paid for his time in gold and silver.

Is your state Legislature and state employees hostile to the concept of equal protection under the law? Our public servants take an oath to protect this concept under the Constitution. Columbia Falls Rep. Jerry O’Neil poses a question more valuable than “gold.” Is the protection of the value of labor exclusive to government employees only?

O’Neil has been ridiculed for his request in the national press.  But recall that last session, half of the House of Representatives voted for Wagner’s bill to require the state of Montana to conduct all business in gold and silver. This includes current GOP Speaker of the House Mark Blasdel and Republican House Majority Leader Gordon Vance and many, many others who are back this session.

Birther Bob’s editorial also explains his belief that a sound penion system for public employees (as required by the Montana Constitution) is “nothing more than theft and discrimination.” Read the whole thing at the Flathead Beacon.

 

27 comments

  1. Dave Skinner

    At least in the happy village of Great Falls they don’t have to look far to find you, Larry.

    As for former Rep Wagner, and current rep ONeil (YOUR guy lost, remember), there’s a valid point to maintaining the value of currency or “a dollar.” Inflating money devalues long term debt, which sounds good when 16 trillion gets inflated to only be worth, say, 8 trillion in today’s dollar.
    But then, nobody wants to buy your crummy bonds if you’ll simply devalue them again. That’s a lot of what happened to Germany between the wars. THAT worked out well.
    The other problem is, what about those of us who scrimp so that we have a nest egg for our dotage, or illness, or for buying magic 300 WMs that will plug conservatives at 800 yards? If we invest in the capital markets and the dollar inflates, we’re hosed. Muni bonds? Hosed.
    Gold and silver? Not hosed, but the money doesn’t work unless the inflation meter is going nuts. And money needs to work and not just sit in a vault somewhere.
    If you know there’s no point in saving, WTF are you going to do, and where does that leave you in the end? Probably a Democrat — as in voting to chisel more inflated money out of even more burdened others.
    So, while I thought Jerry’s gambit was kind of flat, not quite the showmanship of the VETO caliber, his point of fiscal confidence is valid to those capable of comprehending it. And this is one time that Mr. Wagner is not wrong.

    • Rob Kailey

      Wow. Nice doomsday scenario, Skinhead. You should write that into a script and sell it to a network. After all, they bought some bullshit about the rules of physics being overturned and electricity not working. What you lay out is every bit as realistic. The US in 2012 bears very little resemblance to Weimar Germany of the 1920s.

      Gold and silver have only two values: their worth in manufacturing, and the fantasy value given them by markets driven by fantasists such as yourself. The former is a very real value, yet beholden to the fantasy of the latter. What you advocate kills manufacturing and prohibits job growth. Have you considered that little fact? Of course you haven’t.

      Face it, Skinhead, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. It would be insane for the state of Montana to drive up the value of precious metals by paying it as currency of the realm. But then again, sanity doesn’t seem to be the strong point of you, Wagner or O’Neil.

      • Dave Skinner

        Well, Sniper Rob,
        You may call the value of gold and silver fantasist, but it’s not a fantasy when you plunk it down on the counter and stuff comes your way. The valuation people put on those two are a reality, and more important, a measure of confidence in an instrument of wealth.
        I never said I was advocating a gold standard. Yet money has to represent something of value for it to have any value in the first place. Bonds and T notes are purchased with the idea that, upon maturity, the return will be greater, and no less than equal, to the original investment.
        If I buy a 5 percent note and inflation is at 10, I’m going backwards five percent a year. That’s a bad thing.
        If you don’t understand that, or the larger implications of what happens when holders of 16 trillion get nervous about the good faith and credit of the US Government, I’m not surprised. You can’t understand bullet drop either.

          • Dave Skinner

            No, Krotch, that monicker is strictly a product of your peurile, juvenile brain, which seems to have mutated and migrated to your deep south. Seriously, do you have Tourettes?

            • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

              The TRVTH is never puerile nor juvenile, but rather simply refreshing! Keep readin’ me and you just MIGHT, maybe, stop being an idiot! But I doubt it!

              Here’s your latest installment of TRVTH. I know that you hate it when I point out the TRVTH about the zionist thug/nazis in izrail, but you see, the propaganda has been amazingly effective! Take for example Jerkoff Jerry Molen’s flick about the Holocaust. Who COULD make a movie about such that wasn’t a success?

              Leetle bit TOUGHER, though, to make a hit piece on a very, very popular black president using pureass SHIT for logic! Poor Jerkoff went from Schindler’s List to Swindler’s Shit! He shot his Mormon buddy, Mitten’s right in the BALLS with his “documentary”!

              The zionist thugs in izrail are NOT our allies, dude! (i’m not refering to Jews in general, ONLY the zionist nazi thugs in izrail!) When you gonna figure it out?! In fact, they’re the world’s biggest terrorists! And a HUGE part of the reason why the Muslim world hates us! And people everywhere are starting to figure it out! EVEN in izrail!

              When are YOU, Skinflute?

              http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/jane-stillwater/46556/brain-drain-the-new-israeli-diaspora

              • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

                Jerkoff Jerry Molen wouldn’t make a PIMPLE on this guy’s ass who made the movie! Jerkoff Jerry, bigtime mormon boy, FAILED big time with his hit piece on O’Bama! Jerkoff Jerry thought he’d be a superstar with the neofascists and neocons! But now, he’s simply a pathetic loser, a would be zionist Geobbles, and THAT will be the defining moment of his “career”! From Schindler’s List to Swindler’s Shit! If over for Jerkoff Jerry. You’ve perhaps heard of Sophie’s Choice, well THIS was Jerkoff Jerry’s choice. Retire with your repuation intact, or make a complete horse’s ASS of yourself forever! Jerkoff Jerry chose the latter!

                http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-promise/articles/video-the-promise-trail

  2. john marshall

    Dear Cowgirl,
    Ridicule the man all you want about his, “out there,” stances, and there are more than I care to remember, but when he he finishes his letter with:

    The fiscal cliff and economic crisis we have heard about is really about printing money out of thin air without any productive value to back its existence. This act alone devalues existing labor and savings. The state is prohibited from discharging debt in accordance with Article I, Sec. 10, U.S. Constitution. It is also prohibited from printing money (legal tender) out of thin air. Thus the State has lost control of its economic prosperity to a private banking institution we call the Federal Reserve Bank. This places the State and its public servants in a position of choosing whom to serve. The people of the state of Montana (all of them) in accordance with the Constitution and the principle of equal protection under the laws, or the federal government and the Federal Reserve Bank in pursuit of tyranny through financial control over the peoples’ most basic private property right – the value of their labor.—HE IS ECHOING THE WISDOM OF SOME OF THE SMARTEST MONEY MEN AROUND, from Marc Faber to Felix Zulauf
    People in this country have been brainwashed over the last thirty years to feel as if they should be lucky to earn what the earn and have a job in the first place. Had we not accepted the BS line that oil and food should be pulled from the consumer price index, (CPI) 18 years ago, because they “distorted” real inflation, today, based on real inflation, the minimum wage would be over $10 an hour. As I wrote in Silent Majority: Women, Independents, and Governing, published this year;
    Another consequence intended or not of this sleight-of-hand was the effect it had on private-sector wages. If the government could state, falsely, that real inflation was negligible year after year, who then could get a reasonable raise every year to match the rise at the cost of the pump and at the store? Taking the understated rate of inflation put out by the government year after year since the mid 1990s and it’s easy to see why real wages have stagnated relative to all other price increases. Take real inflation, including food and fuel, into account, and the minimum wage would be over $10 an hour today, which means everyone else’s wages would have risen also. Someone being paid $20,000 annually in income in 1996 would be making $28,000 in annual income today. Someone making $30,000 in 1996 in income would be making roughly $42,000 in income today, and so on.
    With wages rising realistically with real inflation, a key component to national security and economic stability would have been realized, the rising value of a person and his or her talents. An asset far more important to the long-term health of the country, both politically and economically, than the inflated value of all the houses in America, and all the gold in China.

    Sincerely
    John Marshall

    • The Polish Wolf

      You’ll find, however, that the gesture is hollow on two counts. For one, anyone who chooses can convert their wage almost immediately to gold simply by going and buying some, so there is no need to request payment in gold (unlike the ‘good old days’ of the gold standard where the buying and selling of gold had to be closely regulated because it was the foundation of international finance.

      The second reason it falls flat, however, is that he is clearly trying to indicate that our money is less valuable now than it has been in the past. Given that the inflation rate is a whole percentage point below the historical average, and the lack of any openly traded currency competition to the US dollar, this is clearly a false belief, held by a man more familiar with outrage than with economics.

  3. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

    Oh….my…..GOD! Do NOT read this post while drinking ANYTHING! For it will SURELY come out your nose as you LAFF YOUR ASS OFF!

    Now, I’m serious as a heart attack when I say this, but it SEEMS that Jerkoff Jerry Molen, Mormon boy, is all pissed OFF ’cause….wait for it…..wait for it…..wait for it!

    HIS MOVIE WASN’T NOMINATED FOR AN OSCAR!

    bwhahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa!

    I TOLD you! If you were drinkin’ sumthin’ it’s probly all over your screen right now! No, I’m serious! Jerkoff Jerry Molen thinks that his “movie”, 2016, should be nominate for a real Oscar! Well and maybe it SHOULD! For the best comedy in a looong time! bwhahahahahahaa!

    Reetards, they really are funny people. Jerkoff Jerry, dude, you take the retard cake, dude! You should get an Oscar for bein’ the biggest moron OUT there, dude! You earned it!

    bwhahahaahahahhahahahaaa!

    http://www.alternet.org/media/right-wingers-whine-about-oscar-omission-2016-obamas-america-heres-four-simple-reasons-why-it

        • Craig Moore

          Gosh Rod, coming from you who resorts to all sorts of Ad Hom name calling such as Rupublicant and Craiglet, I’ll consider the value of your hypocrisy.

          • Rob Kailey

            Going all Tokarski, I see. I expected it much sooner. My bad.

            I don’t think you are stupid, Craig. That’s why I don’t think that you believe “name-calling” is actually Ad Hominem. It’s not and you know it. Ad Hominem is presenting the idea that another shouldn’t be listened to because of what they are. It is a false appeal to logic. Name-calling is just that and means nothing but personal insult. You’re trying to mask that difference. But you think others can be snowed by your line of crap. I’m simply gonna point your crap out in the hope that others can think for themselves.

      • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

        Where’d THAT come from, Mooreon? Your ass?

        bwhaahahahahahhahahahaa!

        Geez, dude! Wasn’t me that made a goofy movie and wanted an Oscar. It was Jerkoff Jerry!

        I’m sensing that you don’t LIKE what I write!

        bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

        Tuff noogies!

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

      Jerkoff Jerry Molen, VICTIM! Oh the persecution faced by moronic conservatives like Jerkoff Jerry! It just ain’t RIGHT that even though his “movie” was a piece of shit, it shouldn’t be considered for an Oscar! That’s discrimination! Therefore, I’m suggesting that the Oscars maybe create a new category JUST for jerkoffs who make political propaganda movies that are shit! It could be sumthin’ like Best Movie of Shit in the Political Propaganda Field!

      How bout it, Jerkoff Jerry? Would THAT make you feel better if you won in that category?

      bwhahahahahhahahahahahahahahaa!

      What a freakin’ DILDO you are, dude! Hence, I’M givin’ you my OWN personal award for your “movie”, a Golden Dildo Award for the biggest dumbass of the year! You earned it, dude! Enjoy your Golden Dildo! Put it on the shelf with your OTHER awards! A giant Golden Dildo for your “achievement” in shit!, for taking shit to new heights!

      bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

      Jerkoff Jerry in his own words. He’s a victim of the mean lefty world!

      “Dinesh warned me this might happen,” Molen said with a laugh Tuesday. “The action confirms my opinion that the bias against anything from a conservative point of view is dead on arrival in Hollywood circles. The film’s outstanding success means that America went to see the documentary in spite of how Hollywood feels about it.”

      No, Jerkoff. The bias is NOT against anything conservative. The bias is just against pure SHIT! MeTHINKS your magic underwear may be a WEE bit too tight, dufus!

    • Rob Kailey

      I read that earlier and wondered why Montana did not make the grade. The only thing I can assume is that they dealt with state legislatures in the 2012 year, and ours only meets biannually, so last year.

  4. Publius II

    ‘Birther Bob’ (aka, B.B.) is a continuing embarassment to the Republican ‘brand’ and he’s helping
    ‘ride that brand’ into the gutter. Didn’t B.B. ready the ‘Kode of the West’ last session, where it also says
    ‘Some things are NOT for sale’, so
    why do the Teabag toadies keep selling
    out to ALEC and the Kochers?

  5. Publius II

    Thanks for reminding all about the pension provision in the Montana Constitution Cowgirl. Maybe he didn’t get that far in actually reading it, or more importantly, RESPECTING it.

  6. Donna

    Am I the only one who is creeped out by the strange smile on that guy’s face…

    He looks like someone who burries more than just his gold out back in the north 40…..