Representative Confuses Crime with Clay Pigeons

by Lash

2012 was a solid year for the North American Logic Shark. They got to rest from the stunt jumping the 2011 Legislature put them through, but as they say, there’s no rest for the delirious. Our logic shark sighting today comes from the House Judiciary Committee as they made a daring attempt at jumping yet another one (surprised face goes here).

Our daredevil o’the day is Rep Cary Smith, R-Billings, whose bill, HB 240, which seeks to allow guns on college campuses.

But wait, I hear you say, can’t you already carry guns on college campus in Montana? Well, in the strictest interpretation of your question – no, you can’t just carry them around everywhere on campuses. But in the real world, sensible spirit of your question – yeah, yeah you can. Even the sponsor admits that when he mocks a claim that Montana campuses are gun-friendly. Which is, honestly, true. Most, if not all, Montana campuses have a place where firearms may be stored and accessed by students who are involved in shooting sports like hunting and competitive shooting.

But, allowing weapons to be used, safely stored and respected as part of student life isn’t enough to be “gun-friendly” for Rep. Smith. Apparently swapping your scarf for a bandolier as you saunter down to your Comparative Politics class is where we need to be. Because nothing says “I’m here for nuanced and productive discourse” than a 9 mil. Right, Amy Bishop?

The shark sighting occurred when, with all the grace of a blind Bobby Knievel on a Big Wheel, the hearing jumped it. Smith explained that this bill is needed because “we’ve had the federal government investigating the assaults on campus. It’s not working.” Smith is, of course, referring to the swath of sexual assaults committed at the University of Montana. What he implies, is that if these women would had have weapons they or maybe even someone else had, they could have prevented the horrific crimes perpetrated against them.

What Smith and the other proponents fail to realize is that guns don’t stop rape.

It’s a bit odd that a body that in 2011 referred to women as cattle and recently decided to open them up to new, dangerous opportunities to be criminally prosecuted for making decisions regarding their own bodies is suddenly concerned with the safety of Montana’s women. Though, I guess when you think of women as livestock already, auctioning them off as victims to suit your needs is pretty small potatoes.

But let’s be clear. Rape is a crime. And it’s hard to stop crime from happening in every instance, but we can always work towards prevention. And rape prevention starts with treating it like the crime it is. It starts when we stop blaming victims for their attacks. It starts when we start treating women like people who can make their own decisions regarding their health and body. It’s NOT prevented by exploiting crimes perpetrated against women to get frivolous gun legislation passed.

But there is a silver lining for logic shark enthusiasts. At this rate, they’ll be back in record numbers just in time for barbecue season.

[Editor’s note: Good news. Cowgirl Blog now has a new regular contributor. Please welcome Lash! Post author is indicated at the end of posts in fine print near the comment count–though if anyone knows how to change the CSS or php to put this on top I’d be most grateful.]



51 Comments on "Representative Confuses Crime with Clay Pigeons"

  1. You need to read this about women and firarms.

    Now as to clay pigeons you need to focus on the faked Obama sheet shooting photo.

    Look at how the shotgun is mounted. Half of the butt is above the shoulder. There is no evidence of recoil, look at the sleeves of his shirt as they don’t move, the angle is wrong as skeet shooting is at a high angle. The gas escaping the barrel is wrong. Etc, etc.

    • Zip, zero, nada. As Jimmy Buffet wrote:
      “Fruitcakes in the kitchen
      Fruitcakes on the street
      Struttin’ naked through the cross walk
      In the middle of the week.
      Half baked cookies in the oven
      Half baked people on the bus
      There’s a little bit of fruitcake left in everyone of us.”

  2. Perhaps we aren’t appreciating Bennett’s “logic” because we don’t know exactly how guns prevent rape. Perhaps he means more people will be shot and killed and therefore unrape-able.

  3. the GOP has just become a pile of smoldering rubble….

  4. Norma Duffy @ilikewoods | February 13, 2013 9:04 AM at 9:04 AM |

    Lastly, women carrying Guns. Most of my Young girlfriends, college aged, really don’t want to carry guns at school. Carrying a gun, does not give you an equal opportunity to find a productive Montana after college. Civil rights Opportunity in a Lawful, equal meaningful way will.

    My Opinion is the first time a woman shoots a male student to keep from being raped, she will be thrown out of the college for protecting her body,and possibly thrown in Jail. We will hear stories from people not saying he deserved it, but how this rapist will be missed in his classes by his fellow students. How the football team will miss his prowess.

    So even in death this peace of crap that tried to rape a young woman, will still posthumously ruin her life.
    Good article, here. the only way to protect female students is to make sure the laws governing our state have the teeth to protect or young woman in college, and education of those laws to stop rape from happening in college before it starts.

  5. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 13, 2013 10:09 AM at 10:09 AM |

    Montana Lege, get right ON this! It COULD happen here!
    FREEEEEEdumb! Maybe Pope Bennett the Dick could issue a proclamation or sumthin’.

    • Sad. I guess we parents should such get it in our heads that the mighty government is better at parenting than we are, Apparently we have no right to know what is going on in the lives of our kids. Going behind our backs is applauded and encouraged by our mightty government? Are you even slightly aware thtat abortion has risks? The risks have been greatly reduced but they are still there. If we as parents do not even know that our daughters have had an abortion, how can we watch for the possible physical and phychological problems that may arise? Instead of slamming this issue as a ” religious issue” people need to seriously look at all sides and come to an informed decision. But then ……. your possible enlightened responce…..

      • Norma Duffy @ilikewoods | February 13, 2013 1:48 PM at 1:48 PM |

        Actually Brenda, I’d stop worrying about the government. It is because of parents that won’t explain sexual education to their kids themselves, nor explain the worth of another human being that we have these problems of rape. teen pregnancy, bullying, hatred, and AIDS.

        Not only are morals not taught anymore by parents, like “One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself” they are no longer held as a basic belief in churches across the country to teach the young. If they were you would welcome every color in your community, and everyone would be cared for seriously!

        It is always someone else’s problem, this is why the government finally has to step in and do something…. People don’t want to get involved, even in their own family affairs.

        Look in your own town, your own street, your own home to find and work on those answers first. Either get involved or get out of the way!

        • Norma Duffy @ilikewoods | February 13, 2013 1:55 PM at 1:55 PM |

          Be an adult and tell your kids about Sexual Education. My kids knew as soon as they asked about it, and because I was honest, they continued the dialog. Stop dumbing down children, they can take it with far more grace, then you expect.

          • Again, assumptions are made here. FYI, I am involved and involvement starts in my home. I am an adult thank you and I have talked honestly about sex with my children-when they asked and were ready to comprehend the truth. The dialog continues as my high school age kids took sex ed in school. These are important topics which are discussed with my grade school child at her prompting and during those teachable moments. I am also involved with a local teen group that deals with all the issues you mentioned. I agree that not all parents are parents in the true sense of the word and they are the ones who need to be reached about the importance and the role of parenting. That is why I’m concerned about the government. It is not the parent and should not take on the role of parenting but should instead build up the importance of parenting. And as a side note, I do not know anyone in my community who does not welcome every color and who does not care for others. They are there I’m sure, but not in my growing circle of aquaintances.

            • Again, Brenda, that’s pretty stupid. No one is supporting a law that says you aren’t a good parent. YOU are supporting a law that says the government gets to force your daughter and her medical professional to acknowledge that all parents are good parents even when they aren’t. Get over your personal anecdotes and you might even understand what I’m writing about.

        • “It is always someone else’s problem, this is why the government finally has to step in and do something…. People don’t want to get involved, even in their own family affairs.”
          WOW! This takes the prize for the dumbest comment ever!

          • Norma Duffy @ilikewoods | February 13, 2013 7:00 PM at 7:00 PM |

            No that’s what happened when people turned their backs on Blacks, the whites in the Appalachia Mountains, The Indians, the Irish, the south after the civil war etc.

            Didn’t you read history books in school, or did you just weave baskets in a barred setting???

      • Brenda, I have a simple question for you. What if it were your husband who impregnated your daughter such that she needed the abortion, and the law demanded that she tell you both? How about your brother, your daughter’s uncle? Would you want him to have a say in aborting your grandson or granddaughter? Would you be willing to risk sexual violence turning to physical violence just to keep a secret, so that you can feel like a ‘good parent’? Would you want your daughter to spend her life guilt ridden and repenting because her father will spend 30 years in prison for going after his best friend Bob, all because she did a ‘bad thing’ with Bob.

        The majority of teen pregnancies are tied directly to incidents of previous abuse or rape. Rape of the underaged, and actually most young women, is committed 80% of the time by an acquaintance or family member. If your daughter is unwilling to talk to you about abuse or rape, or even a sexual mistake, then I think the whole ‘good parent’ argument is pretty fricking moot, wouldn’t you?

        Quit playing the victim, Brenda K. The “government” doesn’t know anything about parenting your child, or even how you’ve failed at the effort. The government doesn’t tell you how to raise your kid. But LR-120 does require that the government, and your daughter, accept that you are trustworthy at parenting when you may be no such thing. If your daughter doesn’t trust talking to you about rape, abuse or a sexual mistake, then the failure is on the part of the parent; and *you*, yes you, are relying on a proposed law that demands that you be notified that your daughter doesn’t want to tell you everything. It ain’t liberals who want big daddy gubmint, Brenda. It ain’t liberals who give the gubmint the power to be a ‘better parent’ than some seem capable of. It’s you. Yes, YOU.

  6. Norma Duffy @ilikewoods | February 13, 2013 4:43 PM at 4:43 PM |

    The Government does not take on the role of parenting, unless a child is an Orphan, or Abused.

    What it does do, is act as a clearing house of information and agencies, a parent can go for for help. Or a child can go for help when Parents aren’t parenting. Even then with underage kids, the government tries its best to find relatives willing to help the young girl when her foks Just Won’t!

    See You have this all wrong. just as most uninformed people in the conservative party do. it is the hand up, not the hand out. Poor people are not just given money. Government people dont just drive down the street. looking for people in dirty clothes to give bags of money too.

    If you want help, you must find the agency that can help you, you must fill out forms, show ID, and when it comes to children,show social workers your home, or lack of home. You must have an address to get food stamps, even if you are homeless…or someone Privately has to be responsible for getting your mail to you!

    Nothing goes on behind your back, when looking for help from the government. And no one watches you, until a neighbor, or police officer, or community turns you in.

    All this big brother crap about the government is just that! Crap!

    If you find yourself looking over your shoulder, thinking that trouble is coming your way… then someone scared you with mis- information, or your actually doing something illegal. I dont think your doing anything illegal so stop worrying about others who need– because thats what government is there for, to keep people from sliding through the cracks.

    Government has six functions:

    1. Foreign Relations – Diplomacy and Defense

    2. Develop business strength – Incubate small business, special research and development, such as space research, job training, unemployment insurance and more.

    3. Protect and regulate the sustainable use of natural resources.

    4. Enforce and regulate fair and responsible business practices. Included in this is monitoring monetary policy, giving consumer protection and regulating banking practices.

    5. Determine and enforce civil laws of property and conduct. This includes the freedoms of the press, religion and rights of property.

    6. Provide public goods and services for the well-being of the community as a whole, such as infrastructure, vaccination programs, disaster relief, fireworks shows, public parks, basic healthcare, subsidized housing, public education and public utilities.
    (These are things that the government provides better than private business for the community at large through pooling money and resources. There are more positive externalities for society when government provides public goods and services.)

    • “show ID….”
      This is a racist comment!

      • Norma Duffy @ilikewoods | February 13, 2013 6:49 PM at 6:49 PM |

        No its not! Or maybe you dont remember that in conservative areas, whites are the biggest users of foodstamps, housing vouchers. And Id can be two utility bills like water, and gas, or electricity and Garbage.

        Get a grip man, it is the same ID used for as voting in this state!

        • Norma Duffy @ilikewoods | February 13, 2013 6:56 PM at 6:56 PM |

          Ah I forgot Conservatives dont want to feed the families who need a hand up in their community, thats why they want everyone to have a state ID with photo. Thats why they want to change the laws for voting…. but it is more then voting they want to destroy, they want to destroy the safety net as well!

          • Now you are being the hopeless nut job! My day has been long, long, long and I am way tired, but… The function of government, as it was founded, is not all that you stated. Heard of the Constitution? The Bill of Rights? Of course you have… but do they mean anything? Is it outdated? No use going further about that as it would be a waste of time.

            And by the way, there needs to be a safety net- a solid one. There will always be people in need because life is not fair! A safety net YES- not a dependancy net! That is the issue.

            FYI, I also help with our local community kitchen-along with my family and Hells Bells! I am mostly conservative! So are many volunteers who stand next to me serving food to those in need.

            Consider that such bitter, hate filled rhetoric, as you spewed above, is partly why our country is in the state it is-and yes it goes both ways. The beautiful, and challenging, thing is that you are still free to demonize and destroy those who do not view things exactly the same way you do! Your voting comments, as an example, reek of paranoid misinformation. The goal is preventing voter fraud not preventing people from voting. But why bother saying more as anything I do say at this sight will be branded with the double D- demonize and destruct.
            Here’s more fuel for the fire- yes, I am not ashamed to say that I am a Christians. No doubt that will marginalize me ever more by the standards of some. Nevertheless, you all have a great night and best to ya. Peace to ALL.

            • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 13, 2013 8:48 PM at 8:48 PM |

              BK, I’m bettin’ that the american family values channel is your favorite radio station. Am I right or what? You see, you come across as a brian fisher talking point. There are low information voters, and even LOWER information “christians”. And that’s real sad. You’re being fleeced REAL good and you don’t even know it! You have NO idea what it means to be a christian!

              • Your bet is wrong. And I have not been a Christian my entire life so I have done and seen many “worldly” things. Again, so many assumptions.

                • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 14, 2013 9:44 AM at 9:44 AM |

                  No, my assumption is absolutely right. You “beliefs” are straight from rightwingnuttialand, and are obviously so. You have NO scholarship behind your points of view as indicated by a complete lack of nuance and sophistication. You are the type of “christian” that loves being told how to think. And it shows. You’re a lazy thinker. Problem is, things are a wee bit more complicated than your snake handlin’ preacher is tellin’ you!

                  • Wow. That is sad. Demonize and Dustruct. But you have a great day living in your superior realm of intellect.

                    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 14, 2013 10:23 AM at 10:23 AM |

                      Demonize and destruct? No, just callin’ your bluff. It is NOT okay to be a lazy thinker in a very complicated world. Now, either defend your beliefs or run away. You decide.

            • Wow you really have no idea what the Constitution says do you? What I wrote exactly miirors the Constitution.

              Like Larry, I wonder if you have been misinterpreting our founding documents because you have had the wool pulled over your eyes, for so long, you really believe the tea-bagging crap feed you?

              • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | February 13, 2013 10:04 PM at 10:04 PM |

                Norma, great to see you posting again. Please keep it up. I missed your insights, wisdom, and erudition when you were gone. I’m thinkin’ that maybe your calling is writing! Now IF I were of a religious bent, I’d say that that was your charism!
                But since I’m not, I still think it’s your charism. Happy ash wednesday! Think I’ll drink some nice Scotch this year inSTEAD of smearing ashes on my forehead! It just feels more holy to me!

              • Yes, I do know about the constitution. After a better nights sleep, I read your post again and yes, what you wrote greatly morrors the constitution. I admit my misunderstanding which will probably make me an even more LOWER information “christian.” But what the heck.

  7. I had a very great sex talk with my ,and my daughter’s dates. I merely grabbed my calf vasectomy (emasculators) kit, and told my son’s and the boys dating my daughter that anyone caught having sex without marriage first would get to see what the calves felt like , when I rubbered them.

  8. Why do parents stop being a son or daughters best friend.

    Norma – I would suggest that one of the problems with today’s youth is the fact that too many parents try to be friends with their kids instead of being parents.

    • To many parents do not speak from fact based reasoning. They make shit up as they go along. Kids today see right through that bullshit.

      Like I said beforehand, get your ass off the podium, and reason with your children with positive, true logic. They can take it.

    • Syj11, when I was considerably younger, if I was troubled, in need or in a fix, the very first people I went to were my best friends. If I was being stupid, or awkward or needed correction, the first people to call me out were my best friends. They were the ones I trusted and who trusted me. It’s still the same with my best friend; now, I’m just married to her. Most reasonably well adjusted people will tell you exactly the same thing. The most fortunate people on the planet are those who number their parents among their ‘best friends’.

      Those parents who are ‘trying to be friends’ to their children by ‘being cool’, pandering to silly and destructive wishes or buying their children’s affections? The problem isn’t with the children you blame. It’s with the parents. The parents are trying to get back what they never should have lost as parents: trust, true friendship. The dictatorial opposition you attempt to draw between ‘parenting’ and ‘friendship’ is based on a false of idea of what it is to be a friend, and worse, what it is to be a parent. It harkens back to a time when being a parent meant that an adult owned their children, with full command and control. Being a friend means that you give and receive trust and respect as the foundation of a relationship. Your view is a sad anachronism, and you really would be better served to let it go.

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