Consistency Isn’t Their Cup of TEA

by Cowgirl

The latest TEA Party stunner comes to us from Bozeman.  A self-proclaimed member of the Bozeman Tea Party, a group that named their movement after the most famous act of civil disobedience in the nation’s history, is calling civil disobedience “highly offensive” in the Bozeman Chronicle today.

Jen Haley, who touts her membership on the website TEApartypatriots.org, made the statement in a letter to the editor in today’s Bozeman Chronicle, saying:

 civil disobedience on this matter was highly offensive to me.

Ms. Haley was upset about a bill that would get rid of a ludicrous law–the law that makes a criminal of any hunter or recreationist who jumps from one corner of public land to another corner of public land.

Said Rep. Ellie Hill, D-Missoula. “We are talking about hopscotch, folks, leaping from one corner of public property without touching any private land.”

Republicans killed the bill, insisting that corner crossing was a violation of the private property rights of any landowner whose property met any public land at a corner.  What harm this might cause the owner of the adjacent corner is anyone’s guess.  Perhaps they didn’t want the shadow of said leaper to inadvertently darken any of their scrub brush for two seconds.

Ms. Haley was “highly offended” by Rep. Ellie Hill’s (D-Bozeman) statement that people may have to exercise civil disobedience under this ridiculous law by hopscotching corners to access public land.

The bill is House Bill 235. Here are screenshot/s of Ms. Haley’s TEA Party membership.

 

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83 Comments on "Consistency Isn’t Their Cup of TEA"

  1. Ellie is from Missoula, not Bozeman, Cowgirl. The Gallatin Valley is much more famous for it’s Koopman-types.

    • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 8, 2013 9:11 AM at 9:11 AM |

      Read the article again Truxton, your confused!

      • Norma, you need to read the article again. Truxton is not “confused”. Ellie Hill is from Missoula, not Bozeman. Cowgirl’s article incorrectly identifies Ellie Hill as being a representative of Bozeman.

        • It actually says both.
          4th paragraph from bottom says Missoula.
          2nd paragraph from the bottom says Bozeman.

          • While I am aware that the Article is inconsistant, I am also aware that Ellie Hill is from Missoula. There have actually been articles about her on this blog. Since Norma claims that Ellie Hill is her “hero”, I would have expected that she would have at least known that. The fact remains that Cowgirl’s article incorrectly identifies Ellie Hill as being a representative of Bozeman.

            • Hey, what is ‘inconsistant,” and is it anything like inconsistent? Thanks in advance for your answer Mr. Accuracy.

              • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | March 9, 2013 10:13 AM at 10:13 AM |

                Terry, read what I WRITE, not what I SPELL! This is still Montana, where Lewis and Clark spelling in NO WAY lessens the import of the content!

                Look, I can’t spell worth a krap either, but it’s not really important. But I gotta tell ya what’s happened. My old computer crashed (never get a Dell again, they’re shhit) and this new one I’m using has spell check. The dang thing won’t LET me misspell, even on purpose! I hate it.

        • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 8, 2013 1:55 PM at 1:55 PM |

          oH shit! yep My bad. Bottom Paragraph but not in the middle of the post!

          • The middle of the post is actually a direct quote from the linked news article.

            • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 8, 2013 2:05 PM at 2:05 PM |

              Ah, nothing like a Friday of whining males. Kinda Makes my day!

            • Lay off, Kenneth: your state is going to shit and you pick on Norma.

            • Oh for flying fucks’s sake! Larry, no one was ‘picking on’ poor Norma. She incorrectly corrected another, and was corrected on her incorrect correction. No one picked on her anymore than she picked on Truxton. If I wanted to ‘pick on her’ I would point out that it’s “you’re confused” not “your confused”.

              And Norma, how on Earth do you come up with the fantastical bullshit that this has thing one to do with gender? That kind of self-deluded victimhood is precisely Tokarski-esque. Kenneth just doesn’t like you, and it has nothing to do with your respective genitalia.

              If I was going to correct Truxton, it would be on this point only: What “the Gallatin Valley” is famous for has as much to do with who Bozeman sends to the leg as what the Bitterroot has to do with Missoula’s legislators.

              • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 9, 2013 3:15 AM at 3:15 AM |

                Yeah and I corrected myself even…. like to see your brother act like a human once too.

                Kenneth’s got anger issues with me Larry, cause I shortened his name once or twice to Ken…. dont worry about it. I am use to it now…. kinda at peace with that fact.

                He’s looking for a tussle of angry words, he enjoys some conflict with me. I don’t quite understand it myself, and I dont have time for a lesson with whatever elucidation he wants to to tell me. With that pugnacity of his, its just better for me to smile at the foot-stomping, and tantrums and go humming along.

                And Rob well go to any extreme, any to protect his brother…

                All good and fine Larry, brush it off… after all, both sides are on the internet now, let people decide what was said and who was out of line.

                • Norma, my issues with you go far beyond you shortening my name in some of the many rude comments you have made to me. I don’t have “anger issues” with you (other than the general “anger issue I have with stupidity in general), but I do have a vested interest in pointing out your inconsistancy, obvious lack of any kind of cognitive thought process and victimhood issues to the others here in Dillon that you want to represent in the State Legislature. I will work diligently to ensure that you are NEVER my representative to the state legislature.

                  Luckily for me, you simply can’t help yourself. It seems to be patently impossible for you to resist responding in your own condescending and pathological manner to anything I say. What you don’t seem to understand is that this gives a wealth of things to use against you when you run for office again.

                  So by all mean, continue to act like an ass in the comments section of this blog. I love every hate filled reply you make because it gives me one more nail to put in your political coffin. You are correct in saying “let people decide” but the venue is much larger than this blog – you simply haven’t realised that yet.

                • Yes Norma, you ‘corrected’ yourself after several others had done so. And then you had a tantrum that the “whiny males” were being mean to you. How very sincere of you…

                  Since I’ve called my brother out for inappropriate response at this website and others, more than any other folks combined including you, I find it difficult to imagine what lengths *you* think I would go to defend him that would constitute “any”. Sorry, this isn’t a game where hyperbole scores you points.

                  And speaking of being amused, if I read you correctly (and I do) you just wrote that to “act like a human” is to be nice to you, to agree with you. Really? Please show me another species that can type cogent comments at a keyboard? When you fail, kindly accept that to argue with you is exactly ‘acting like a human’, just not in way that is acceptable to you. Sounds to me like you have a personal problem. Anger issues, perhaps?

                  • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 9, 2013 6:15 PM at 6:15 PM |

                    First of all it wasn’t my post, I commented on, but someone elses. whether or not it had the right information about where Ellie is from wasn’t the story was it?
                    The story was about Jen Hailey and the authors quotes were, “Right on,” regarding her in my book ..But someone decided to make the story something else completely. What I read into it, is right in my opinion… so this conversation is all subjective…. total fluff and to continue it… pretty shallow to make a point Huh? I glossed over a mistake in someone elses writing, Big deal, My Bad get over it! It’s not like I was the editor of the blog was I? Just an interested party adding to the conversation
                    Secondly I don’t have anger issues, In fact, I am kinda back to just caring for me, coming home 6 years ago, dropping two thriving business in another state… and doing the right family thing! Thats not anger that’s due diligence…I think my conversations today and in the past reflect that, I just dont put up with stupid…
                    Caring, doing hospice, until the last months of each individual…and then burying 3 members of my family who were in their last years of life… Driving the ashes back home to were they all grew up… making sure every family member on both coasts got something to remember them by…. making the little things matter to everyone…. that’s called determination, steadfastness, the noise of naysayers only a hinderance.
                    All of last year was a little Tuff, but I muddled through with a fairly shiny personality… Fustrated at times? Maybe…. probably because change, and govermental paperwork doesn’t happen fast enough. I did wish for Miracles in my family, Though I am quite certain now, there is no such thing.
                    Than there was the GOP in Montana. Nasty little individuals, who want to treat woman like second class citizens, giving away the wild heritage of Montana to Corporations. What Larry so apply calls “Earth Haters.”
                    Decedied Then, I could take on even more, by running for election to protect the Citizens of Beaverhead county, Putting my neighbors first. Proved the county wasn’t red but 1 on 4 folks were blue, far better than the one in ten before…. and certainly not bad for a first time…. I’ll be running again. The GOP should be embarrassed, a Democratic woman change so many minds… I did it without iciting obstruction, without punching anybody… that’s not anger that’s tenacity, nerve, a little pluck on my part and a lot better information that didn’t include Fearmongering, ridicule, Hate.
                    What do most folks call that? ” Putting your words into action” and I ran my entire campaign in the black, never a defecit. I’m not a arm-chair Quarterback, Rob. Anger and fustration are the mark of a person un-willing to do whats best. No Couch potatos here.
                    The Man Whining comment ? Really? If I was a guy…You wouldn’t have given that “Thought Quote” a second glance. Another non starter for a conversation don’t you think?
                    See, I got a lot of quotes handed to me by other men including your brother, the last couple of days….that smacked of a “woman doesn’t know this shit, cause its all part of a mans world.”
                    Nothing is just part of a mans world anymore. The only thing you guys have left is different equpment. There has been a woman somewhere, who has done at least one manly thing in the world now throughout history….. until all man achievments were claimed at least once, by a woman… Time to let go… your brother too!

                    • Can you even think yourself serious?

                      The Man Whining comment ? Really? If I was a guy…You wouldn’t have given that “Thought Quote” a second glance

                      No “guy” would have made that statement because it wouldn’t have made any lick of sense. I would have given it a “second glance” because it wouldn’t have made any fricking sense at all. It was idiotic. Quit that.

                      You don’t have to defend yourself to me, Norma. I’ve been one of the people trying stupidly to support you. Your responses have generally been along the line of “time to let go” or “Fuck off and get a life”. You really don’t get it, do you? If men respond badly, then that’s your issue with them, concerning the issues they take up with you. You, stupidly, take up the banner against ‘teh MENS’! Get over it.

                    • First, I have never brought your gender into it. That is your delusion and axe to grind. Stop projecting your insanity onto me.

                      Second, I will not let go of calling you on your bullshit. You want to enter the world of politics… fine. Deal with the consequences of that choice. You are in the public eye now – and the public (including myself) will not tolerate your idiocy.

                      Third, as always, you misrepresent the facts. The county has not been “1 in 10” at least since I have been here. In fact, a simple look at previous elections in this country would suggest you did far worse than many democrats that have run for election here. Nothing you have done as a candidate has changed the political landscape in this county and it is only your own ego that suggests otherwises. On the other hand, the fact that you are misrepresenting the facts (easily verified by contacting either the county clerks office, the local newspaper or the Secretary of State’s office) shows a great deal about your character and delusional behavior.

                      As I said before, Norma, keep talking. You do not seem to have an internal censor and the crap you spew on the pages of this blog alone will bury you in an election.

                    • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 10, 2013 11:39 AM at 11:39 AM |

                      See it is continued whining from you brothers….And it is always some analogy like “Our words count more, than Norma’s?” “We know the public better.”
                      ” Our Intelligence is More thought provoking than hers.” My personal favorites ” Shes a liar.” She told me to “fuck off” (Yeah I still meant that one at that time), you two, have spent more time advertising your hurt egos, than a subway train full of women on their period… just saying!

                      Makes me smile, that bashing me for saying whats on my mind 5 months ago still means so much to you today, considering both of you have used it against others here more often then I have used it in all totality in the last 10 years. But Hey I am to be treated differently, this is the preferred Kailey use of second class citizenry, is it not? ” our way or the Highway/”.

                      You guys are as funny as hell when your mad…. just saying!

                      Mind you, we have heard this argument about me before also…. so its become pretty pedestrian, even colorless by now. Shorter Kailey brothers: “Help us help us, were being defamed by a old senior lady” “were calling for help because she hurt our “Widdle” reputations.

                      Hahaha let your reruns of rage begin

                      I write far lighter than Larry Kralj puts to paper and you never say a word to him. He writes in Tongue in cheek some of the foulest funniest material, and you dont give him… even a raised Eyebrow. Lets just face facts gentlemen, you have attacked and gone after any intelligent woman before , who has called your bluff, on this blog.

                      Hell you even went after a fair minded democratic lady judge, earlier this summer, because she dared to have her say.You basically called her a criminal by the end of your conversations, and you didn’t even know her. Her record for being fair was undeniable, but so was your Bias towards her.

                      Any reasonable person can see the whole story between us, and with the exception of Mark (pundet), I think I have been far more benign, to you Guys, then you deserve. But Humor me further, Nothing like watching your blame game.

          • LOL. MTCowkid is nothing if not inconsistent. She/he seems to think MT LAW prohibits a person with a CCP from carrying a firearm into church. She must think there’s a whole bunch of Crooks hiding behind their CCPs to rob churches. She’s good at shooting blanks from the hip.

            • And, Dave: what compound are you barricaded in with your child brides?

              • Whoa, Larry! Why would I do that? Better yet, why would YOU THINK I’d do that? Care to come over for a cup of Tea? Oh wait – I suppose you suspect me of being one of THOSE? I belong to one organization, and one only. The DAV. Do you have a problem with that, or do you just think I may be a terrorist because I don’t have an opinion that may differ from yours? I was merely suggesting that perhaps MTCowkid would READ the laws of this state before shooting off her mouth.

                • The Deranged Anglo-Saxon Virgins? I didnt know they had a chapter in Helena.

                  • Jack – Your point? Geesh. Some of you have no argument whatsoever, do you? I’d ask you to my front door so you can verify my gender, but I think you’ll find everything is in order here, and I am definitely not Anglo-Saxon.

                • Don’t bother responding to Larry Kurtz. He is not interested in actually discussion. He simply likes to insult people he deems “earth haters”. Ignore him… I do.

                  Norma, on the other hand, I can’t ignore since she wants to represent my district in the Montana Legislature. She gives me a wealth of quotes to use against her when she runs. As per her usual routine, she has resorted to the “whiny male” posture. This is typical of her when she is called on any kind of mistake. She is an obvious man hater (you should see some of the things she said last year when she was actively running for office…).

                    • Kenneth: i want to help connect the Yellowstone to Yukon with the Greater Missouri Basin National Wildlife Refuge using the CM Russell as an anchor. Are you with me or are you with the terrorists?

                    • First, Larry, I usually ignore your posts but this one actually has some substance so I will respond. I happen to know Mike – at least to the extent that we have had long talks on a variety of subjects – and, yes, wolves are one of them. It might surprise you to know that both my wife and I were volunteers at Wolf Haven in Tumwater Oregon. I won’t bore the other readers here with the information on Wolf Haven other than to suggest you look them up. I actually know quite a bit about wolves and the re-introduction of wolves to Yellowstone and at some time in the future, you and I may sit down and have a discussion about it.

                      That said, I would not go so far as to say Mike “gets it”. Like most politicians (and Mike has run for a number of offices here in Dillon..), he uses cherry picked facts to make case that suits him. On some topics (like wolves) we pretty much agree. On others, we widely disagree.

                      Likewise, I can’t answer your question about the Wilderness corridor. That is a big subject with a quite a few ramifications. You present a false choice (I am either to agree with you or I am a “terrorist”). I can easily disagree with you and not be a terrorist. The Wilderness Corridor you are proposing is problematic for many reasons, not the least of which is that it involves public land – meaning that the views of the majority of the public have to be taken into consideration.

                      This comes back to a discussion I have had with many environmentalists. In general, it is my opinion that there are two basic types – Conservationists, and Preservationists. Preservationists want to lock up land/areas and prevent most public use. They have a (in my mind delusional) veiw that by doing that they are somehow “saving” that land. Fact is, by it’s very existance it is undergoing change and true “preservation” is flatly impossible. I do not hold that view. On the other hand, Conservationists want to manage the land for the public so that all can enjoy it – attempting to maintain the land as much as possible but allowing for it’s very purpose in being public land – public use. I am a conservationist.

                      The idea that there is any true wilderness in the United States is frankly delusional. The land today – even in so called “wilderness areas” is even remotely the same as it was even 100 years ago is delusional.

                      As an alpine backpacker and hiker, I appreciate the public land that exists here in Montana. It is one of the many reasons I returned here in 2005. That said, I have no real problem with sharing my love of the public lands with hunters, hikers, RTV riders and other public uses.

                      My problem with you (and more specifically people like Matt Kohler) is that you people seem to think that your ideas on public use trump the ideas of others – to the point you use every tool you can to force your ideas on us. The insane use of the legal system to lock up public use on public land has gotten rediculous. You call everyone that doesn’t believe as you do “earth haters” and by doing so, you prevent any kind of reasonable discussion on the subject. As Rob has already pointed out, this is no different than the topic of this thread – gun control.

                      Let’s be clear here, too. I was just as much guilty of this as anyone else when the gun control debates started after the tragedy in Connecticut. As a shooting enthusist, I used the same kind of false choice statements as you did. After some heated arguments with my brother (something we don’t usually do..), I stepped back from the debate and still pretty much refuse to engage even now.

                      It would be nice if you learned something from this and were able to have a reasonable conversation with someone like me on either subject. I think you would be surprised at some of my veiws. I have learned a lot about the current land use sitution from my wife (she works for the Forest Service) and I do have concerns about public land use in Montana.

                    • Thanks for the thoughtful reply, Mr. Kailey. My mission is to destroy the Republican Party and sometimes people get in the way. Best wishes to you.

                    • Matthew Koehler | March 10, 2013 9:03 AM at 9:03 AM |

                      Thanks for the mention Kenneth. P.S. My last name is spelled “Koehler,” not “Kohler” as you Kailey boys apparently like to spell it…..although my dad did paint Kohler Company Chairman Herb Kohler’s house a time or two and my uncle Glen still works at the Kohler Co in the foundry.

                    • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 10, 2013 11:45 AM at 11:45 AM |

                      Mike is one of the Most intelligent, involved Democratic men, in Dillon Larry. I look up to this guy, he is one of the smartest people I have ever meet.

                    • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 11, 2013 2:44 PM at 2:44 PM |

                      Yeah Right! You need to start owning your life, instead of the lies Kenneth. The truth is out there now.

                  • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 9, 2013 6:24 PM at 6:24 PM |

                    Only because you dont have the Manliness to run for change yourself Kenneth. At least I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. You may Opine all you want, just don’t expect me to give you any more credence than other beaverhead county residents.

                    Just because you named yourself a community leader…. doesn’t mean everyone else in our county is following you.

                    • 1) I never claimed to be a community leader – ever. You are lying again.

                      2) I have already put myself “out there” as it were. In fact, I pissed off the local mayor so much by reporting on his antics, he had me arrested. Once again, you are spouting nonsense. I also supported my wife running for office (she actually won, unlike you…).

                      Again, you bring gender into it (“manliness”). This is really a paranoia for you, isn’t it…..

                    • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 10, 2013 11:52 AM at 11:52 AM |

                      You pissed off the Mayor because it went to fistcuffs. Marty, can be a real pain in the ass at times, but hes not afraid of real debate.

                      I have had some real intense arguments with him, but We have never used foul words, or harsh rhetoric that stopped us from moving forward.

                      I find him quite intelligent for a man with a red streak in him for party…. and I’ve never had him not allow me my say…. something you and your brother could learn from.

                    • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 10, 2013 11:57 AM at 11:57 AM |

                      You have an anger issue Kenneth, anytime someone gets in your face… you cant walk away, you cant lower your tone and have a real conversation, you put others on defensive, and than blame them, for insulting you, after being pummeled by your crap.

                    • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 10, 2013 12:03 PM at 12:03 PM |

                      Lastly you have never run for public office. Never put your ass out their financially, didn’t want your background scrutinized…. See I got nothing to hide and plenty to offer people here in Dillon. I am not a wallflower Kenneth. I’ve played this word rodeo before.

                    • Norma, now you have just jumped off the deep end. Fistacuffs? What the hell are you talking about? Marty was pissed because of the things I was saying both on my blog and in City Council Meetings. You obviously have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

                      I have never said that Marty wasn’t intellegent. He is smart enough not to go to jail for many of the questionable things he has done. That does not make him a “good” person or a good mayor. For example, in the last two years he has put Dillon 14 million dollars in debt. That is just one of the many examples of his “administration”. I can’t say it surprises me that you are a Marty cheerleader. Peas in a pod, so to speak.

                      You talk about running for office as if it is something special. Sadly, it really isn’t. I have put myself out there financially – just not by running for office. Moreover, I put my ass on the line as a member of the United State Military. You are blowing smoke out your ass again, Norma.

                      I have no interest in running for any kind of political office. People like you do so to add one more bragging point on your resume. You want to be a legislator so you have a bigger soapbox. You certainly do not represent the people of this county. Do you honestly believe that the majority of people in this country want another Brady Act? Do you honestly believe that the majority of people in this county support the idea of forced easements to get to public land? If you do, you are clueless of what how the people in this country feel. It is also the reason you will never get elected to a legislative office here.

                      Let me make a suggestion to you.. If you really want to represent people in the legislature, move to a progressive/liberal area and run for office. Then you might represent a majority of people – at least by accident – rather than trying to tell us how you want us to feel/act. As long as you run in this area, I will ensure that the people of this area – at least the ones I associate with – know what you really stand for.

                    • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 11, 2013 12:05 PM at 12:05 PM |

                      You know I own property here Kenneth. A Few Houses, a new business. I’ve owned property in Dillon since the 1970’s when I worked for the BLM….I dont plan on going anywhere.

                      See you keep telling that lie… Of not having a personal vendetta against the city and Marty, because they caught you driving in town with a drivers license. …And then there’s why you dont have a drivers license? Or property in your name? Everyone in Dillon know that reason too!

                      Why you don’t work… because your wages would be garnished.

                      You want to tell the true story about being a deadbeat dad, or do I?

                      Kenneth your well known here in Dillon. Your story’s well known too…. Not responsible enough to take care your duties, let alone explain to anyone else how to take care of theirs…. Give it a rest Joe Walsh!

                    • Once again, Norma, you have no idea what you are talking about. You are welcome to attempt to character assasinate me all you want. I am not a deadbeat dad regardless of what you want to believe. Moreover, my character isn’t the question, now is it… It is your character we need to examine given that you want to represent us in the State Legislature.

                      I do find it interesting that instead of dealing with your own issues, you have decided to attack me – a voter in the district you want to represent. It is obvious that you have learned nothing and will continue to delude yourself into believing that you have.

                      Whether you own land in the area or not, a rabid liberal with no concept of what the majority of people in this are want will never be elected to the State Legislature. Keep up the hard work of attacking the voters in this area, though. I am sure that will work out well for you in the end.

                    • For the record, Norma, since you obviously know nothing of the situation that occured here between me, Troadsson and Marty – even though it was reported on in both the local and state newspapers – Marty was upset because I was using both my blog and statements made in City Council meetings to block some of the assinine things that Marty was trying to do – like approving a 100K+ salary for Wilber Gilbert. Marty had my investigated (he claims that as Mayor, he is the Chief Law Enforcement officer of Dillon). After having me investigated and determining that I could not drive legally, he conspired with Troadsson (the City Councilman that my wife was running against at the time) to keep a watch out for me driving. When Troadsson saw me driving, he contacted Marty – who then called to have me arrested.

                      The facts of this situation are pretty well known – you are right in that respect – but as far as tryign to to spin this as something it isn’t, you fail completely. Again, you know nothing and your assumptions are a window into your complete lack of character.

                      Further, your assumption that I don’t work to avoid having my wages garnished is also false. I am a custom knife and sword maker and have been since 2000, when I was laid off from Intel. Yes, my license was taken away because I fell behind in child support, but your assumption that I do not pay child support is equally false. After losing my well paid job at Intel, and being unable to find a good paying job, the state still refused to reduce my child support (a rediculously high amount based on Intel income). While I am able to pay a smaller amount, it caused a deficit that until I finish paying off, I cannot get my license back.

                      You want to impress me? Fix the law so that someone that owes Child Support can get a work drivers license. Someone with multiple DUIs can still get one, but if you fall more than $500 behind in child support (less than two months for me…) they can (and do) take your drivers license and you can’t even get a work license to earn the money to pay your child support. This is idiotic on it’s face. I have been denied over 160 jobs because of a lack of a drivers license (including many here in Dillon) so I am stuck with what I can earn crafting.

                      My child support will eventually get paid off but at this rate, it will literally take years. Since I am an honorable person and believe that it is my duty to pay child support, I will continue to pay what I can until it is paid off. That does not change the fact that the system itself is broken. I have paid tens of thousands of child support, so I am hardly a “deadbeat dad”.

                      You have once again proved that you cannot be trusted to represent anyone – let alone the people in this county.

                    • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 11, 2013 2:15 PM at 2:15 PM |

                      No Character assassination needed? You have spent the last year banging on my opinions, because lets face it… you don’t like smart women. You spend all this time talking about how your the best at everything, and you have been basically lying to everyone, including yourself.

                      You’ve walked out on at least two wives and kids, You went AWOL from the Navy…. Your a Deadbeat Dad that hasn’t paid to take care of your Kids for years.

                      You lose your drivers license, when you refuse to pay off your debt… The states had no other choice. but to wing you, you keep running away…

                      Honorable isn’t a word, to sling around lightly Kenneth…. it comes with the price and pain of doing the right thing.

                      The Information is out there about you In black and white… I am sick of your kind of honor, Kenneth. It is because of people like you, Bull shitting…..the very reason our country is in the mess it is.

                    • Once again, you are spouting complete bullshit. I have never “walked away” for either wives or children. I had custody of the kids from my first marraige (and never received a cent in child support, btw) and the mother of my third child and I were never married. Moreover, I had custody of that child too until she was 7 years old. When I got divorced from my second wife, she filed for custody a third time and won custody because she was married and i wasn’t.

                      Again, you have no idea what you are talking about, Norma, but all means, keep running at the mouth. I am enjoying your diatribes as it shines a very bright light on your character. I am proud of the parent I have been (and continue to be). One of my two daughters is currently living with my wife and I while she gets back on her feet after attending college. I have a good relationship with my other two children too – as well as the children my wife has.

                      I have done the “right thing” most of my life. Like everyone, I have made mistakes but I continue to work toward being a better person. Sadly, that is an idea that is beyond you – as proven by your latest attack on my character.

                      I find it interesting that I have never attacked you personally – just your political stances, and self agrandizing monologues. You, on the other hand – unable to defend either your views or your inflated view of yourself – have devolved in character assassination. I don’t think you understand just how much you are resembling people like Jennifer Olsen and others in the Wingnut branch of the Republican Party.

                      Again, keep running your mouth. You are simply proving to everyone reading this just how morally corrupt you really are.

                    • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 11, 2013 3:22 PM at 3:22 PM |

                      Sad, So sad your that caught up in not telling the truth. What was your other Nom De Plume?

                      Kelly James Silvan?

                      Wanna explain why you lived under that name too?

                    • You really shouldn’t listen to Marty, Norma.

                    • Norma, in addition to be a liar, you are quite the despicable human being with your characqter assignation. Here’s a blast from the past from a sister blog. http://4and20blackbirds.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/moorcat-targeted-for-arrest-by-dillon-mayor/

                      It’s no contest between you and Kenneth as to who is telling the truth. You are a liar. And a coward as you play the victim card whenever the heat gets to you.

                    • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 11, 2013 5:25 PM at 5:25 PM |

                      Marty? How about an EX-WIfe, should I not listen to an Ex-wife…. Who did serve Honorably and didn’t go AWOL on the navy!

                      Shouldn’t read the Dillon Tribune either HUH?

                    • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 11, 2013 5:38 PM at 5:38 PM |

                      WHat Craig, Pointing to a blog post, as told by Moorecat. aka Kenneth Kailey, AKA Kelly James Silvan. Really?

                      You know the more he spoke about all he did the more I found myself not believing it. Never mind, that every time I had an Opinion, he Poo-poo’d it with foul language, What type of false equivalency are you selling now Craig?

                      Do you know who you are trying to defend? The man was already on a watch list by two states and the federal government for being a deadbeat dad. Because he wouldn’t pay what he promised in court…. his license was taken away….

                      After continually ridiculing a mayor did he honestly think that no one would check on him…Do the same diligent search I did over the last week, or ask the hard questions, about who this guy really is??

                      You really need to live in the real world Craig. because no one can hide in a digital age, when they pulled the shit he did.

                    • Brittany Kailey | March 11, 2013 6:06 PM at 6:06 PM |

                      Uhm, the ONLY woman Kenneth’s been in a relationship with who was ever in the military was me, Norma. I was Air Force and served Honorably..and I’m definitely NOT his ex. I will say that this had made for some very interesting reading. Thanks for the giggles.

                    • OK… where to start…

                      1) Are you actually claiming it is your “due diligence” to talk to my ex-wife – a woman I haven’t seen even seen since 1989? Are you actually trying to tell us that it was important enough to you to travel to her home city and speak to her (she doesn’t have a phone according to our daughter that has tried a couple of time in the last year to speak with her)?

                      2) It is obvious that you are quoting Marty because Marty claimed to have spoken to her when he and Troadsson were attempting to discredit me – and thereby discredit my wife who was running against Troadsson.

                      3) The reason Marty did not use the information he got is because my exwife has been in treatment for a mental disorder and has been since the early 90s. That was the cause of our divorce and the reason I have custody of our children. She never served in the military and couldn’t serve both due to her mental condition and her epilepsy.

                      I would suggest that instead of spending “weeks” trying to find something against me, you spend your time more constructively. As a candidate for office, I find it interesting that you would give me that kind of importance in your life.

                    • Brittany, Welcome to the blog and thanks for your comments.

                    • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 12, 2013 10:22 AM at 10:22 AM |

                      Well say can whatever you want Brittany, I am not talking about his third or fourth wife ( which is most probably you). I am talking about his earlier wife’s.

                    • No, Duffy. You are being the sad, illiterate, abusive person who personalizes everything and thinks herself the victim.

                • So what is your injury, Dave? Carpel tunnel from directing drones? Traumatic brain injury? That one seems likely.

                  Larry is just trying to create a funny caricature of you. That seems only fair since you do it to everyone else.

                  • Rob – And if I created a funny caricature of you what would it be? I don’t suffer from carpal tunnel, but some of this nonsense out here is simply beyond the pale. So – You insult me, is that right? What did I say that set YOU off?

                    • You assumed I supported repealing the 2nd amendment, and made an ass out of U and Med. I don’t. You were just writing out of your ass, without understanding the conversation or who was having it, the way you do with everybody else.

                      You want to troll this website, you go right ahead. If you wanna discuss with me, you’d best bring something better than your delusions of who I am and what I want. I don’t have a use for trolls.

                  • So – now YOU call me a troll. Good luck with that. Would you care to point out where I suggested YOU should just repeal the 2nd?

                    • Now you’re just being stupid, Dave.

                      You wrote, in response to me:

                      HEY! You want to repeal the 2nd? Have at it. LOL.

                      If you aren’t smart enough top remember what you’ve written, you might want to assume that others aren’t as stupid as you. They do remember, and it’s often easy to find.

                    • Rob – I hate it when I reply to a comment in one of these threaded posts. If I suggested such a thing to one of YOUR comments, I apologize. I’ll leave it at that.

                    • No no no no, Dave. You have this all crapped. Bob Brigham suggested that anyone who even thinks the “Bill of Rights” might be open to change is “repugnant”, his word. I pointed out that the entire Constitution is open to review if it will serve the goals stated in the Preamble to the Constitution. You ponced on in to a discussion you didn’t understand with an assumption of who was stating what. That was foolish.

                      Now, you make a weak plea for trust based on a process that somehow confounded you? How about we go with an answer of “No”. How stupid do you think I am? It is the same pattern of Internet trolling seen for well over a decade. You write something stupid, but it must be the fault of venue, and you actually are arrogant enough to think others will believe your obvious bullshit. Again, no. I’m not as stupid as you think. Many people here aren’t.

                      You’ve posted multiple comments over 3 short days crowing about how you’ve found a rich playground (toilet) of stupid people to make fun of. Then, when you get caught being stupid, you blame the playground. Uhn uh. No one will buy that. So you’d best get some game, Cowboy. Quit puling about your smarts when you act stupid, and don’t act stupid. Your “apology” is not accepted because it is a lie; it is insincere. You are trolling, and have found it a bit harder than you expected. I guess you’re just going have to put a bit more effort into it.

                  • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 9, 2013 6:30 PM at 6:30 PM |

                    I realize at times our conversations are tumultuous Rob… but arguing with a troll like Dave… who just stumbled upon Cowgirls site… and has more mental problems, then a bee who hates the Buzz of wings, in a Bee Hive….. and far dumber then arguing with Mark …ain’t worth your time!

              • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 9, 2013 3:17 AM at 3:17 AM |

                Check out that guys Dave’s facebook page Larry…. it says it all!

  2. Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 8, 2013 9:10 AM at 9:10 AM |

    Ellies my hero. I thought the Bill was a great Idea. and far easier for a private owner to swallow then a a road easement will be. Look, Montana Hunters would rather Hop a fence then lodge a drove of complaints against a land owner for access to public property, and it might come to that. Enough Compelling interest from the public could land a private land owner in court down the road, and nobody wants bad feelings on either side. It is gonna cost the land owner more in the end, and I believe the majority of Hunters would be good stewards about the whole Idea.

    This issue is far from dead for the Montana Hunting Public. the GOP will have likely hurt landowners more than helped them.

  3. I, too, think highly of Ellie’s HB235. The only problem I had with it is that if it would have passed, it still wouldn’t have helped access for large game. One can’t pick up a 120 lb deer and huck it hopscotch over a fence corner, or at least would not like the results. It was an attempt at a step in the right direction, but that’s all it was. The truth is, to be of serious benefit, hunters need those easements.

    I read Haley’s letter this morning in the bird cage liner copy of yesterday’s paper. I wasn’t as struck by hypocrisy as The Cowgirl apparently was. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being offended by a call for civil disobedience from an elected leader, even if you support the Tea Party (named after a group who’s disobedience was a far cry from civil mounted against a leadership that was not elected by anybody in the colonies.) Disregard for a moment that many Tea Peep legislators have called for very uncivil disobedience. Haley voiced her opinion, and the appropriate reaction should be ‘big whoop’.

    I admire Rep. Hill for calling on sportsmen to ignore a sad law. Fact is, many already are. The reason this is a problem isn’t because they are getting arrested under trespassing laws. It’s because many of them are assholes about it, using passkeys (bolt cutters) and wire cutters to get what they want. That sets the opposition between private property owners and those of us who do respect their rights. That’s why I think that crossing easements are the only answer, and if the failure of HB235 facilitates that, then good.

  4. I, too, support the idea of easements with the caviat that any easement legislation would have to include fairly severe penalties for those who damage “private” property. The land owners have significant investments in thier property and this vandalism can become quite severe. A local landowner that used to provide an easement onto public land for hunting cut off that access this year because of the damage done to his property by inconsiderate hunters.

    • To further flesh out the idea (I was called away while responding), I would also support the idea that those easements should be paid for (to the landowner) at the same rates as the current fee schedule used by the BLM/Forest Service for private use of public lands, the easements should be negotiated by the appropriate agencies and that the easements should be patrolled by the LEOs of the appropriate agency.

      If I were to see a bill like this proposed, I would probably support it.

  5. Well, I see the disscurse is as civil as ever here.
    And the subject matter just as trivial. Civil disobedience? You mean like OWS or something? Eeeeek.
    Sheesh.

    • Speaking of trolls…

      I know that this escapes you, Skinner, but Civil Disobedience has been used successfully throughout history to effect change. Gandi made the idea of civil disobedience almost “trendy”.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | March 8, 2013 8:52 PM at 8:52 PM |

      Lawyer? Not hardly, Dave. Cowgirl doesn’t write like a legal eagle. Oh sure, sometimes she has to resort to legalese. But try again. THINK, Dave. What does she write like? It ain’t hard to figure out. Just think about it. It’s kinda funny really, ’cause she’s hiding in plain sight. I’m damned surprised that no one has yet been able to figure out who the Cowgirl is.
      For you see, with an intimate knowledge of Montana, and close attention to her writing style, it should have been obvious by now.

      SHE’S ME!

      bwhahahahaahahahahaaaa!

      • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | March 8, 2013 8:59 PM at 8:59 PM |

        Just teasing of course. But DAMN it’s not rocket science! Montana ain’t all that big, and there are ONLY a couple’a people that could pull this off. I’m nearly one hundred percent sure who Cowgirl is, and I ain’t no geenious!

        • I killed my TV. I read one newspaper a week and it happens to be the Sunday GF Tribune. I carried their evening edition more than 50 years ago, when you could still read a newspaper for news. And yes, I don’t get out much either. I had no idea MTCowgirl was a ‘thing’, cuz when I worked for FW&P I was mainly concerned with employees using their pcs to conduct state business, not personal pleasure. If she is a state employee, she will be found.

          • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | March 8, 2013 9:09 PM at 9:09 PM |

            Good luck! But she AIN’T a state employee. That’s too obvious. Look elsewhere. That’s all I got to say about that.

            • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 9, 2013 3:36 AM at 3:36 AM |

              Better Guys than Dave have tried and failed, to find her.

              Some even know who she is…. Dave has a better chance of getting shingles than anyone spilling the beans.

  6. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | March 8, 2013 8:44 PM at 8:44 PM |

    Holy SHEET! Here’s a Montana dude I’d never SEEN before! Bet ya money HE’S packin’!

  7. Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 9, 2013 3:31 AM at 3:31 AM |

    Corner posting is one of the strongest parts of a fence. I know I built one or two of them every summer I was on the BLM fire crews in the 80’s.

    GPS makes it so easy to find the corners with the help of government maps, anyone can buy from a government and state agency…. when did people become so dumb they cant use compasses.
    Painting the Posts on a corner with hunter orange would make anyone with a scope on his gun find them by site when you got close….

    To me this falls along the same lines as the right to fish in this state is, the same thing as fishing access protected in this state. The land private land owners will not win on this, there is already case law against them denying access to public lands.

    • I am not disagreeing, Norma. Finding the corner, however, is not the problem. The problem is how to cross it (with or without game) that serves both sportsmen and landowners.

      • Norma Duffy @Ilikewoods | March 9, 2013 5:57 PM at 5:57 PM |

        I don’t know about anyone else but we always quartered our wild meat before ferrying it. Made it easier to carry and it wouldn’t have been a hassle to move over a fence…. Just saying. SO how lazy have hunters become, because that is what you are saying. That they couldn’t carry an extra wetstone in their pack, or a few strong tarps for dragging? Really?

        • I’m not making any general statement about the ‘laziness of hunters’. Now we just have better tools for them to be so, with less public access for them to be lazy in. But as with all things, it doesn’t take very many jerks to ruin a good thing for the rest of us.

          It doesn’t do any good, really, to point to the large numbers of upstanding honest hunters out there. This issue of conflict isn’t about them. I reiterate, this isn’t a problem because bunches of hunters are getting cited for trespass. It’s a problem because, for a variety of reasons, landowners generally don’t want hunters even near their land, corners or otherwise. Some are that way because there are jerks out there who rather than invade a yard of ‘airspace’ would rather damage fences, leave trash on private property, and generally disrespect the rights of the landowners they hunt near. The end result is the same; Private property owners are taking possession, by default, of public space.

  8. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | March 9, 2013 7:17 AM at 7:17 AM |

    FULL EMPLOYMENT IS ACHIEVABLE! And desirable! When half the population is locked up, and the other half guarding them, we will finally have achieved the American Dream! Full employment!

    http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/17844-more-marijuana-arrests-in-us-than-apprehensions-for-violence-in-2011-a-national-disgrace

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