Deschamps Re-elected, Fielder Comes Aboard

Will Deschamps won re-election as chairman today at the GOP convention, and Jennifer Fielder, a candidate with ties to the militia movement and some of its shadier members, became vice-chair.

Derek Skees, who had run on a platform of requiring republicans to swear a loyalty oath to uphold Tea Party principles, lost.  And Christy Clark, who was the incumbent vice chair, also lost, displaced by Fielder. Clark came from what she herself termed the “responsible wing” of the GOP–which is an automatic ticket home.  Words like “responsible” or “reasonable” or “moderate” are not terms that a GOP politician can now embrace.  They are radioactive.

An interesting item was mentioned in the Billings Gazette, though, that could make one wonder about the way that the GOP chooses its leaders.  The results of the election, the full tally, are not disclosed to anyone.  From the sound of it, Will Deschamps and his top man, Bowen Greenwood, who he hires and pays, are the only ones who have access to the vote tally.  Why would election results be kept secret? And how can anyone verify that these elections are legit?  This seems to be a situation where Deschamps and his top staff simply declare that Deschamps has won. What proof is there?  If what I am reading is correct, then this is indeed a strange state of affairs to be found present in a political election.  Openness and transparency, one would think, are principles that that a political party, out of all types of entities on earth, should adhere to.

I don’t know what the Democrats do but I’d be surprised if their election results, at least the raw tally, are not available for public inspection or the inspection of all who voted.

But back to the substance of the election, what we are seeing is a predictable rumbling of tectonic plates in the GOP.  Deschamps has struggled to bring his party any statewide victories in his six years in office now.  Everyone is getting bounced, notably Denny Rehberg in 2012.  In fact for the last five years, the GOP has held, at any one time, only two statewide offices out of eight available (unless of course you count John Bohlinger, bwahahaha!).

And now that the libertarian party has effectively become the Tea Party ballot option, and is energized and taking significant votes from GOP candidates (Rehberg gave up over 6% in his race), statewide victories for the GOP will become rarer still.   And, the GOP has an additional, tremendous weight around its ankles that is dragging it steadily down into the deep: with each additional year of extremism, fewer young people are becoming Republicans and fewer normal, successful, smart people from the private sector are taking a shot at running for public office as Republicans. It’s gotten too extreme; few normal people are willing to be associated with the nutjob core of the GOP.

Which means the legislature is all that the GOP has, and will have, for quite some time to come.

So in a way, I don’t blame the the wingnuts, the Tea Party types, for being pissed off by the fact that a few moderates in the legislature keep spoiling the fun, cutting deals with the democratic governor Bullock and refusing to go along with the right wing.   After all, if the legislature is the only thing that the GOP can reliably control, if statewide candidates have no longer any serious chance of becoming governor or senator, then why not actually demand results as opposed to merely seeking electoral victories? Why would a Tea Partier care about having control of the legislature, if not to implement an agenda?  Big victories in races for governor and the US Senate, when they exist as major end goals for a political party, tend to cause the party to be more moderate.

The GOP, though, is quickly pricing itself out of that scenario, and the legislature, which is tough for the Democrats to take back because of the way legislative districts have been drawn, is the only thing it has left.  So it makes sense that Christy Clark should have no real chance, and that Jennifer Fielder has ousted her.

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67 Comments on "Deschamps Re-elected, Fielder Comes Aboard"

  1. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 9, 2013 1:00 PM at 1:00 PM |

    OH shit! God done tol’ ANOTHER inbred to get involved in politics! From ms. outta state fiddler’s site, a heading entitled Faith, Family. “We are Christians”! Um, ms. fiddler, about that Christian thingy, who really GIVES two shits just WHAT an inbred outta stater like you believes? I mean, fercrhissakes, who the HELL spouts off about their religious beliefs first and foremost?! What f*cking DIFFERENCE does it make just WHAT imaginary sky being you worship too? And it’s just plain RUDE too! And really, throwing “family” into the mix?!! Is it REALLY only inbreds like yourself who are concerned about their families???

    Yep. You got all the code words down pat, lady. You’re a feminine Birther Bob type. Moved here to start a big, fat white homeland for JAYsus! Low IQ Nazis for Jesus, or some such.

    But do us a real big favor, would’ya? Please DON’T ever go on national TV and make a big fat ass outta yourself and our state like Birther Bob did! You see, near as I can tell from your site, you’re from Wenatchee, Wash. (Habia demasiado espanol alli para un chica tan blcana como tu, no?) SO, if you DO have to make an ass outta yourself by promoting your racist, white homeland beliefs, be SURE to mention that you’re an outta stater and DON’T share the views of everyone here in Montana! And that you really haven’t been here long enough to even UNDERSTAND Montana!

    Thanks in advance.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 9, 2013 1:10 PM at 1:10 PM |

      “We are christeeeeeeeyans”!

      bwhahahahahahahaahhaahhahaahahahahahahahaaa!

      Two shits, anyone? Anyone???? Anyone????? Bueler???

      I mean, WHEN was the last time that you heard ANY politico who wasn’t a complete dumbass, horse’s ass, reetard and comsplet INBRED spout out such nonsense as, “Oh, by the way, I’m a christeeeeyan?! I mean, how many DEM politicians do you even KNOW have religious beliefs??? I don’t ask and they don’t tell, for it means shit! ONLY Teabaggin’ reetards use such code words for christofascism! Let’s be clear on that. SO, ms. fiddler, why? Why? WHY throw that horsehit in??

      Anyone?? Anyone??? Anyone??? Bueler??

      ONLY the Pubbies and Teatards could turn the word “crhistian” into something evil and vile sounding! And that’s real sad.

      http://mtcowgirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Jennifer-Fielder-Sanders-Natural-Resource-Council-Board.png

    • Maybe I’m young and naive here, but the type of anger and hate-speech coming out of Larry Krajl is exactly what turns people off about conservatives.

      If you don’t care about here Christianity, focus on actual events, issues, and policies. As it is, YOU are the one throwing her Christianity in my face and YOU are the one making hateful personal attacks.

      Grow up and be part of the solution rather than just an anonymous hater over the internet. Thanks.

      • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 20, 2013 11:51 AM at 11:51 AM |

        Not anonymous, Kid. And thanks for reading. I’m glad that you do. Share it. And do I hate assholes? Yes. I think that Jesus did too. He LITERALLY threw them outta the temple. Remember? Anger is good when used correctly. You DO remember that Jesus threw the assholes outta the temple, don’t you?

        • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 20, 2013 11:59 AM at 11:59 AM |

          THIS is how you deal with assholes, Kid! How did Jesus escape after doing this? The crowd surrounded Him and wanted to kill HIm, yet Jesus escaped! How? Was He an Akido master as some speculate? Did He learn this during His time in Tibet? There is MUCH you’ve yet to learn, grasshopper. I will teach you, grasshopper. Trust those who don’t flatter you or hump your leg!

  2. And how can anyone verify that these elections are legit?

    Quite simple – each candidate is allowed one person to watch the counting to verify the results. Of course that person can tell the candidate the actual numbers if the candidate wants to know. Some candidates don’t want to know.

  3. Rick Hill, as Chairman of the conference is the one that actually has access to the count. The article in the Billings paper claimed that the decision to keep the tally secret was his.

    • That is factually correct, the decision was Hill’s – but, it has been convention policy, from what I hear, for many years not to reveal the counts. I also heard that the 3 chair candidates agreed to let the convention know that Dechamps won with over 50% of the vote.

      • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 9, 2013 7:10 PM at 7:10 PM |

        PUSSIES! Really now, should the Dims REALLY fear a group that can’t even REVEAL their vote totals??? Welcome to ms. fiddler’s neighborhood, where christofascism is the order of the day! These pissants make me PUKE! Man UP, DeShat! You friggin’ PUSSIES ain’t worthy of respect, you friggin’ puissant! You mean to tell me that you can’t even TELL us how many moronic votes you received?? Nazis should be made of sterner stuff! You’re pathetic!

        • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 9, 2013 9:34 PM at 9:34 PM |

          The answer is yes. You pissants CAN take that last post personally! You are NOT worthy opponents! You are NOT real Nazis! You’re f*cking PATHETIC! And, BTW, rick hill???

          bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaa!

          Too funny. Lil’ ricky is an old joke!

  4. We underestimate Jennifer at our peril. If you have ever met her, you would know how powerful a spell she casts. There is nothing funny about her new promotion. The only good news here is Cowgirl’s claim that fewer people are willing to claim being Republicans. I would sure feel better if you could show us some credible polling on that point. As it is, I’m fighting a serious case of “Oh Sh*t.”

  5. Not releasing the tally is common in many organizations. In this case, I think the public would be better served by releasing the tally. And I think the tally might leak at some point.

    Still, it’s possible to draw inferences from the results of the elections. Deschamps won a 3-way contest, but Clark lost a 2-way contest. That suggests a deeply divided party, and a tremendous amount of far right support. The teabaggers might not be a majority yet, but they’re getting close. Which is not surprising: teabaggers occupy approximately 80 percent of the GOP seats in the legislature.

  6. People on this website are sure experts about “teabagging.” Is this something you all do regularly? I kept hearing the term, none of my Republican friends had any idea what a “teabagger” is. I had to look it up. But everybody on this blog slite sure seem to have expertise about this matter. Hmmm. I guess it takes one to know one.

    • So you had to look it up, did you??? Really? That out of touch with the rest of the world since the 2008 elections???

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 10, 2013 12:04 PM at 12:04 PM |

      Um, in CASE you missed it, Marshy Shallow, the teabaggers named THEMSELVES teabaggers! Where were you?? It was the cause of great hilarity throughout the country, and was a precursor of the endless hilarity to follow from this group of reetards. They AIN’T the sharpest knives in the drawer so to speak. And it turns out that they’re a bunch of racists who hate the gubmint but are sucking LARGE offn’ Unca Sugartit! How could they NOT choose a befitting their intellectual level, such as it it? They got’er done alright!

  7. I betcha the right wing is the only nuts that showed up at that election. The better Republican has crops and calving to care for and Camping to enjoy. All the things about nature the Hardcore GOP find so perverse.

    Remember also that Vote counting by Republicans is secret at the national level here in Montana as well….

    Where they tried to force the Libertarians who liked Paul in this state, to vote for Romney… And they made people leave the Ballots on their chairs and pushed them all out of the room… that ended any friendliness between these disparate groups and started a scism in the state GOP that wont heal for years.

    If the Democratic Party wanted the chance to push their platform on the Montana Public, now is that time. We have finally got the breathing room to prove to Montana as a whole, that out of state Tea- Party Militias are not part of our game plan.

  8. The tally wasn’t released because Deschamps didn’t get 50% of the vote. Remember Republicans are pushing SB 408, the top two, to try and make sure candidates are elected with 50% of the vote. To have the vote tally posted would not look good for Republicans.

  9. Dear Cowgirl,
    Your statement, “And now that the libertarian party has effectively become the Tea Party ballot option, and is energized and taking significant votes from GOP candidates (Rehberg gave up over 6% in his race), statewide victories for the GOP will become rarer still,” is so misinformed. You obviously have bought into the GOP line that this is why Rehberg lost. The Libertarian candi had relatively little to do with Rehberg’s loss. Do your research. Look at the stats. In the Senate 7th District Race, I took votes away from the DEMOCRAT not the Republican Jennifer Fielder. In other state races Libertarians did the same.
    A simple fact both DEMOCRATS and REPUBLICANS don’t want to acknowledge: both parties are bleeding members. To wit; in 2002 33% of the nations voters claimed Independent. By 2012 that number was 40%. At this rate, in 20 years, D’s and R’s combined, will be less than half the electorate.

    Sincerely
    John Marshall

    • John does have a point. While I disagree that the Libertarian Candidates hurt Democrats more than Republicans, he statement about both parties bleeding support is dead nuts on. Neither party has a clear (or palatable) message at this point. The Republicans give fancy speeches about how they want to return to the “Big Tent” idea but then (nationally) elect an evangelical to the head position – guarenteeing that the moderates like me are forced independant. The Democrats are so busy trying to put out fires (some of their own making) instead of pointing out how silly the Republican attacks are, that they are not focusing on developing a clear message other than “We are not Republicans”. Both sides need to get their shit together. Now I grant you, the current situation favors the Democrats because as mixed as the Democrat message is, it isn’t racist, bigoted or socially regressive. These three things will continue to haunt the Republican party until they get back to basics – rational fiscal conservatism, and limited but effective government.

    • I would also point out that while I can’t stomach much of the liberatarian message (especially when they take a slanted and narrow view of the constitution), their message of rational fiscal restraint and reining in buearacracy is attractive. This is one reason the Libratarians have pulled from the Republican Party.

      • There is no narrow view of the Constitution. The Constitution is black and white and not a living document that many on the left and right think it is.

        • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 10, 2013 2:17 PM at 2:17 PM |

          bwhahahahaahhahaahhahahahahahahahahahaaa!

          Simple, isn’t it? The Founding Fathers designed it so’s that ANY simpleton could understand it. See above!

        • Of course it is a “living document”. Your understanding of the Constitution is… flawed. If it wasn’t a living document, then the founding fathers would not have built in the very system we use to change it. They, at least, understood that times change and when they do, things they couldn’t possibly have imagined become real and important. You exemplify one of the reasons I simply can’t get on board with the Libertarians.

    • Most people who self-identify as independents are actually closet partisans. When pollsters apply the “do you lean Republican or Democrat” screen, the number of genuine independents drops to ten percent or less. Both major parties know this, which is why they place so much emphasis on turning out their bases.

      • Any data to back that up, James? That flies in the face of most of the polls taken before the last election.

        • Start here: http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/aia2009082001/

          The key is how the poll is conducted. If the “do you lean” screen is omitted, the self-identification of independent is around one-third. If the lean screen is included, the closet partisans are smoked out and the percentage of true independents is revealed to be around 10 percent. Most polls omit the lean screen, probably to keep down costs.

          • I am not sure I buy that article for a number of reasons. First, the political environment in 2006 was a great deal different than the political environment in 2012. I do not buy the assumption that the author made that the two environments are the same. Further, I think the author equating how a person voted in a specific year to either ideology or afiliation is also very flawed.

            For example… I am a self described moderate Conservative. Notice, I did not use the title Republican. Even given the choice between independant and “leans Republican” I would still choose Independant because the question is flawed. If the question was “leans conservative”, I would respond “leans conservative”. Given the hard right turn the Republicans have taken, many self identified moderate Conservatives voted Democrat for President – as well as for many other positions. I even advocated for many Democrats (like Tester) because the Democrat was moderate enough to not be too diametrically ideologically opposed to my ideology and the Republican Opponent was a complete wingnut.

            In my opinion, the article’s conclusions were spurious at best and there was little data to back up the claim. I grant you that my opinion is based on personal experience for myself and other moderate conservatives I associate with, but until I see something more data driven, it is the opinion I will likely keep.

            • Give this a try: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jcampbel/documents/MythOfIndepVoter2012.pdf

              You have to decide for yourself how much proof you need.

              • Here is what makes me think you may be wrong, James.

                Every major polling agency for the last 20 years has shown that the slight majority of the voting populous in the US leans conservative. It isn’t a large margin – about 8% – but it exists.

                With that understood, for a Democratic Candidate to win, one (or both) of two things have to happen – 1) The Democrats have to be able to get their base to the polls far in excess of the Republicans and/or 2) the Democratic Candidate has to pull the majority of the true Independants and enough moderate Conservatives to overcome the numbers advantage of the Republican Candidate.

                Looking at exit poll data from 2008 and 2012, these were two very different elections. In 2008, the Democrats were able to get their base to the polls far in excess of the Republicans. Yes, there was some crossover voting that occured (in part because the Moderate Republican Candidate chose a nutjob as a running mate…) but the election was decided by the overwhelming numbers of liberal leaning voters getting to the polls. In 2012, the situation was very different. The Democrats and Republicans both did a fair job of getting their base to the polls, but the Democrats did a far better job of pulling true Independants and Moderate Conservatives. Whether this was because President Obama was better at actually reaching Independants/moderate Conservative or whether it was due to blunders on the part of the Republican Candidate… we can debate that till the cows come home, but the fact remains that the Democratic Candidate was able to pull more support from the other side.

                What this means for 2016 is anyone’s guess. We don’t even know who the candidates are. I will say with certainty, though, that if the Republicans can’t come back from this religious, hard right turn in time for the 2016 election, they are likely to lose again – either by not being able to get moderate conservatives to the polls or by losing the moderate vote to the Democratic Candidate.

                • “Every major polling agency for the last 20 years has shown that the slight majority of the voting populous in the US leans conservative. It isn’t a large margin – about 8% – but it exists.”

                  Perhaps you could provide links to some of these polls.

                • Oooh- everybody’s wrong but me. Time to change the burden of proof. You substantiate your own claims and defenses.

          • Understand, James, that I actually hold you in pretty high regard even though some of our ideology differs. You have posted things that have increased my knowledge in a number of areas, but on this we disagree. My disagreing with your (or your articles) conclusions is not a slight on you, just a differing opinion.

      • Dear Mr. Conner,
        Until you go door to door and canvasing for your own campaign, you’ll never understand what voters truly think. Anyone who does knows apathy for the two parties continues to grow, but because many are undereducated about their government and politics, they keep looking, hoping for a political, “Messiah”, to ride into town like the mythical knight, or on horse with a white hat, to clean the mess up. That won’t happen, but you’d be amazed how many people speak in those terms when you campaign and talk to them about changing our current state of affairs in politics.

        Sincerely
        John Marshall

        • John, I find your assumption that independants/undecided/undeclared people are uneducated both insulting and without merit. As one of those people (a moderate conservative that simply can’t stomach what the Republican party has become), I am neither uneducated or uninformed. The fact is, many people are leaving the partisan party crap for a moderate stance BECAUSE they are informed and educated. When the parties realise that a hardline stance will drive people away from them, and take a less partisan, more moderate stance, you will find the number of independants/undeclared will go down.

          • Dear Moorcat,
            I wrote UNDEREDUCATED not uneducated, there is a difference. Most of us think we know so much about what goes on in politics. I myself was that way, that was until I ran for office. An education to say the least. To anyone that reads this, or loves the subject, don’t just talk about it, sign up and do it, at whatever level you feel comfortable. Your ideas about people and politics will be forever changed, not to mention the fun that can be had running for office. Yes, politics can be fun, that much I learned campaigning. The more time you spend talking to people who agree and disagree with your own ideas, the more you realize how much alike we all truly are.

            Sincerely
            John Marshall

  10. Its my observation that Fielder is a lapdog for wingnuts, Clark fought publically with Assman during the session. No need for independent women…fall in line or fall out.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 10, 2013 2:11 PM at 2:11 PM |

      Lapdogs for JAYsus of the world unite! No, I believe that she is a certifiable wackjob who luvs her a heapin’ helpin’ of JAYsus jumpin’! Otherwise, if she is using religion as just a tool to fleece the stoopid flockers, she’s just as bad as all the OTHER businessmen fleecing the flockers a la Music Man! She needs to learn that in THIS country, we don’t go around lettin’ our religeeon all hangin’ out for the world to see! That’s offensive as HELL in our democracy! Keep it in your pants! Nuthin’ sacred ’bout prancin’ round all exposed! It’s just rude! And God don’t LIKE rude assholes much! Jesus himself even said so in the Bible! Remember the one ’bout hidin’ somewhere to pray? I THEENK he meant that your life should be your public example, NOT your churchy member hangin’ out of your drawers! Jus my take on it. And his:

  11. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 10, 2013 1:59 PM at 1:59 PM |

    What, me worry?, Congressman Alfred E. Newman Daines!

    Seems that ol’ Dipshit Daines ain’t the LEAST bit concerned about that NSA spying crap. Nope. not Dipshit Daines! For he believes that if you ain’t done nuthin’ wrong, you don’t NEED to worry, right, Dipshit???

    http://mtstreetfighter.com/does-steve-daines-support-nsa-spying/

    Again I agree and offer up my challenge even again. I pronounce here and now that I will PUBLICLY take a lie detector test to answer the question as to whether or not I had prior knowledge of the JFK assassination! For you see, I have nothing to fear! Nothing to hide!

    NOW, I offer up the exact SAME challenge to the all living members of the Bush Crime Family, AND the Big Kockh brothers, whose daddy was right there in the mix of shitbags who wacked JFK! Birchers, businessmen, CIA, and ex-military!

    You see, there is potent evidence to indicate that the Bush Crime Family MAY have played a role in it! And TONS of evidence to indicate their criminal behaviors SINCE that time!

    So, if they have nothing to hide, take my challenge! HEY, we out here have to prove our innocence on a daily basis. Is it really too much to ask of the shitbags to do the same? I think not. Come ON, shitbags! What do you have to fear??????

  12. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 10, 2013 4:22 PM at 4:22 PM |

    Holeeeeeeeee SHIT! God done tol’ a NOTHER inbred from down south to COME to Montana and SAVE it! Here comes Chump Edmunds, fresh off a special delivery message from G-O-D! Or, as I like to call it, COMIC RELIEF! Thank you, God, for sending us a fella that’s gonna LIGHT a fart of freeedumb for our country! Chump’s gonna LIGHT that blue flame for God! Yes, it’s ALL about the red, white, and blue flame of freedumb! I simply can’t WAIT to be free! Free at last! Free at last. Great God almighty Chump’s gonna light that fart flame of freedumb at last! Thanks, Chump! (p.s. kids do NOT try that at home! it works, but it could blow up your Edmunds!)

    Enjoy.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 10, 2013 4:27 PM at 4:27 PM |

      p.s. Can the ReePubes REALLY not find any candidates to run that AIN’T used to crappin’ out back on two logs put together?!! A candidate with OUT a southern accent?? Or one that ain’t godsmacked??? Is this or ISN’T this still Montana??? Sheesh. Talk about encouraging the Great Inbred Migration!

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 10, 2013 8:48 PM at 8:48 PM |

      I’m with Chump on this one! We need to LIGHT the blue flame of freeedumb again, and Chump’s the man for the job! If we all light just one little blue flame of freedumb, this country would be a great place again. So let your little light shine let it shine, JUST like these Chump supporters are doing! Light the fart of freedumb and e LECT Chump Edmunds! Do it for GOD!

      Exclusive video of Chump supporters lighting the fire of freedumb! Chump must be so proud! These are TRUE god fearing Murcans, just like Chump! Viewer discretion advised. Lady Liberty’s in there too!

  13. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 10, 2013 7:18 PM at 7:18 PM |

    Yes, it’s up to the young people now……….OF THE WORLD!
    These young people have had enough, and it does my heart good to see this. They’re gonna change their world. Come ON young Americans, stop buying the bullshit and hit the streets! The fascist bastards are NOT your friends! And realize that they are winning through criminality alone!

    http://www.commondreams.org/further/2013/06/10-3

  14. I came here expecting an incisive back and forth about Obama vacuuming all of our phone calls, emails, web searches and blog posts. Just kidding. I knew you’d ignore that. Not much to say, right?

    Demobats! He farts, you stand and cheer! He shits on you … silence.

    • It is not our job to live up to your expectations, Mark. Deal with that for a moment… You are not the center of the Universe.

      • You’re not much for nuance, are you. Everything is literally taken – that’s really interesting. Part of the authoritarian mindset is lack of nuanced perception. Rod’s that way too.

        Demobats screamed aout the National Security State when Bush was its titular head, and are quiet about it now. You were an anti-war party in 2006. Now you’re a war party, an austerity party and are presiding over the surveillance state too. all because of a change of label for the presidency, Pepsi took over the reins from Coke.

        It doesn’t get shallower.

        • Hmmm, let’s see. The lefty “Demobat” blogosphere is going absolutely apeshit about this, but you don’t have any cognizance at all of the situation. You only have one poll showing an 18% increase among self-described “Demobats” in favor of domestic spying, a poll that has no baseline for refused answers. It doesn’t seem that anybody else is ignoring “nuance”, Toke. just you.

          You got nothing, little camper.

        • Gosh. Sorry Mark. I didn’t realize that a public opinion poll had such depth with you while you write this:

          Your references to public opinion, as if it was original and reliable, as if there were anything to mine there, is a stone wall around you allowing you to proceed without thought or skepticism.

          • I don’t know what poll you are referring to. I don’t follow them. I only know that Americans, frightened by hobgoblins, will believe Gen Alexander as he lies his ass off talking about breaking up “terrorist plots” by eavesdropping on the entire country. What a lame ass! That’s so easy to see through, why, even you should be able to see his nose growing as he speaks.

            My statement to PW refers to his reliance on public opinion, using it as a rationalization for Demobats as they screw us over. When Tester goes after roadless lands, he says that the public wants it, that public opinion did it. Now that Obama is caught with his hands dirty, he says the public will change its opinion and that will somehow fix it. It’s magical transference of sins onto the public, exonerating Demobats. That’s PW in a nutshell. He votes for change, doesn’t get it, blames the voters as if politicians paid attention to public opinion.

  15. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 11, 2013 4:37 AM at 4:37 AM |

    What would you have us say, Mark? SOME of us have been saying for a loooong time now that the fascist takeover of the country is nearly compete! Look, anyone who has followed our fascist policies in Latin America for the last fifty years or so can see that the exact same folks who did it in Latin America were slowly and insidiously doing the exact same thing here! There IS no difference! The only difference is that Americans thought they had a built in immunity from what happened in Latin America. Well, they didn’t!

    And now it’s here. Hell, even the same nazi bastards are INVOVLED with fascism here! ANYONE who knows anything about John Negroponte, the very FIRST head of intelligence appointed by Bush would understand that something is very, very wrong here. Check it out.

    http://ww4report.com/negropontedeathsquad

    The lying fascist bastards will stop at nothing, NOTHING! And that is our reality.

  16. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 12, 2013 6:54 AM at 6:54 AM |

    “As long as the general population is passive, apathetic, diverted to consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can do as they please, and those who survive will be left to contemplate the outcome.”— Noam Chomsky

    What HE said.

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers. | June 12, 2013 7:09 AM at 7:09 AM |

      p.s. We THOUGHT we were this robust democracy, but we’re really not. We went from the Golden Age to the Gelded Age! Not nuts left! We have become a nation of cowards. (except for Snowden and Manning) And hence, we’re getting the government we deserve. The psychopaths will do what they do, because they are psychopaths. The Bush Crime Family and the Dick, cheney, are perfect examples.

      You see, the PROBLEM with the Teatards is that besides being dumber than dog shit, they actually believe all this American exceptionalism crappola. Hence, they truly believe that their country can do no evil. Well, they’re quite wrong. REAL nazis exist right among us!

      • The Tea Party was a PR invention, and is hardly a problem. It is the Democrats that are killing us softly. There are pivotal times in the flow of events when change is possible. now is one of those times, and listen out your window … [chirp] … Democrats at work, busy making sure nothing comes of these opportunities. Republicans turn the heat on high, the frog jumps out. Obama is slow-cooking us.

  17. Wine improves with time, so do Pickled Eggs. But in Mark’s case he just keep getting goofier

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