The Montana GOP Hypocrite of the Week Award Goes to…

Montana Attorney General Tim Fox

Fox is talking about the so-called “navigators” hired to help with the new health care law. He told the Billings Gazette that, “The federal government’s lackadaisical approach to handling Americans’ private information doesn’t pass muster under any standard, and in particular Montana standards.”

But Fox was utterly silent about the exact same kind of navigators helping people with the massive government health insurance program known as Medicare that have been operating in Montana and across the nation for 20 years. That’s a hypocrite for you.

The existing navigators are called State Health Insurance Assistance Program (or SHIP) counselors, and they’ve been helping people choose options and navigate the Medicare program without trouble for decades. In fact, the Obamacare “navigator” program is modeled after the existing State Health Insurance Assistance counselor program.

Fox signed a letter with twelve other TEA Party attorneys general saying that when it comes to these helpers the federal government “has no realistic plan to prevent identity theft or to provide recourse to consumers when it inevitably occurs.”

“We don’t want your grubby government hands in our health care” Fox and friends yell, not comprehending the irony of the demand. The reason they don’t get how funny they are is because the TEA Party is spreading these lies as fast as they can.  Perhaps loosening their grips on their pitchforks would help.

The fact is the Medicare navigator program works, and if people find that out, the TEA Party (and the politicians like Fox passing out the pitchforks) will be shown to have stepped in it yet again.

But count on Tim Fox to make sure the facts don’t get in the way of a good press opportunity.   That’s why he’s this week’s hypocrite.  He will be making many return appearances, you can be assured of that.

Posted: August 21, 2013 at 6:47 pm

44 thoughts on “The Montana GOP Hypocrite of the Week Award Goes to…

  1. James Conner

    I had no idea there was such a program. It might have helped me during my mother’s final years, when I found that the irrational and authoritarian complexities of the Medicare and medical systems were virtually overwhelming. And now that I’m on Medicare, a stingy program, I find that nothing has changed. If anything, it’s more complex, and seems more and more like a private insurance system.

    A better solution, of course, is a cradle to grave, everyone automatically enrolled, everyone covered for everything, federal single-payer system financed by progressive taxation. In that system, which we can afford, one need only present one’s American Care card and get treated.

    Health care navigators might help, but their mere existence is a powerful adverse comment on our hideously complex and fundamentally unfair health care system (well, system for some; even when Obamacare is implemented fully, tens of millions won’t be covered).

  2. Norma Duffy

    I agree with you James but, if you remember the catfood flying off the shelves that oldsters were eating so they could continue to have healthcare and a roof over their head… medicare was a miracle to them.

    Obamacare is starting out about the same way Politicized badly by the right who hates it, I think it well be fine.

    Our family still holds one of those LP’s Reagan made against Socialist medicine. Listening to it again tells me the republicans are using the same dirty tricks reagan recorded in 1961….. the alternative to no medicare, or social security was a death panel at that time for our retired Americans, Republicans just dont think people are worth saving after their productive days as a worker are through, and they stop paying taxes because they have no income except their retirement fund and social security.

    We need to keep trying for single payer to be passed…..but until then I will take medicare and Obamcare any day of the week over GOP’s plan which is nothing but going back to early death due to lack of medication and treatment.

    1. James Conner

      We’re making different comparisons. I’m comparing Obamacare and Medicare to the gold standard of single-payer. You’re comparing them to the manure pile known as the Republican health care plan. Your comparison makes a less odoriferous system seem sweet. But I want a health care system that doesn’t stink — and the only one that doesn’t stink is single-payer.

      I have no confidence in Obamacare. It’s woefully inadequate, and it feeds that economic parasite known as private health insurance. It might not fail, or fail right away, but it never will be good enough.

      Medicare, incidentally, was implemented within a year of its passage.

  3. W.H.

    Woefully inadequate, a massive giveaway to the insurance and drug companies with nothing gotten in return, forces people rather than businesses to buy insurance, doesn’t help the people who need it most – the medicaid population. I’m with James. meh. Who cares.

    1. Intodeepinsanity

      Nice to see others at this site who see through Obamacare. That’s very encouraging. I am curious about this notion that Democrats will come back and fix the bill later, when they are not burdened by the huge congnressional majorities and control of the White House as they enjoyed when AHIP wrote and passed the bill.

      What I have seen is that the new policies that we will be forced to buy will not even cover doctors visits, meaning that people with medical conditions are still fenced out of the system. The old preexisting conditions regime is still with us in new form. The bill is smoke and mirrors.

      1. W.H.

        I am not hopeful – most dems in this state have drank the koolaid – so-called progressive groups like Planned Parenthood –its sad really.

        1. Fred Farkleshine

          That’s funny as sh*t talking about Dems “drinking the Kool-Aid!”
          The right owns all the known patents ever issued on Kool-Aid drinking!
          For example, take a look at Fox News, they serve up Kool-Aid daily by railroad tanker cars! However their listening and watching audience’s are dying off way faster than they can bring in new Kool-Aid drinkers!

          1. Norma Duffy

            Exactly! Nothing I’d like better then having single payer myself, but I’m sorta into reality. Nobody wanted to vote on it in our Party. Most republicans are venomously against any care for the citizens of our country as well…. So Obamacare is what we are lucky to have.

            Any state could have gone single payer with the Obamacare money sent to them if they opted in, if they wished… for some reason it takes a leap of faith for states politicians to do the right thing also. So take what you can get in ACA, make it fit your lifestyle to the best of your ability… and for goodness sakes stop whining.

            Help make Health-care better by pushing your elected officials to do the right thing every election or vote for the other guy.

            I decided I would ride with this ACA program and jump a few hoops if it lowers my premiums, which it looks like it will do quite nicely I am already signed up to the marketplace.

            Ill take my chances and work within the system, reserving judgment until I have tried it. Im not taking anyones word on it now, just like I have done anything else Ive endeavored .
            Thats responsibility for myself. Not the Teaparty’s idea of “Ride by the seat of your pants” lifestyle and Hypocrisy Bullshit they have been spewing the last couple of years.

            I just don’t believe all the Hype from either side of the political Isle that the government is inherently bad. Its not! So far it has been inherently good! Raods, bridges, schools, police, consumer regulations….

            My family for over a hundred years has been tied to the government in some way because we all served in the military for the last three generations, my family and I worked Nuclear energy jobs working closely with the government, and my parents works as contractors in the NASA Space program.

            Our friends and extended Family have either worked as contractors for/or in the service of our government, and because we would find how each piece of the government functions within our careers… I could always turn to people in government to give me insight and information, that got me a hand up, just by finding the right agency and filing out a couple of pages of paperwork. Any American can do the same thing, if they choose too

            Yeah looking for the right answers is my families credo. Standing in line, and then filling out the necessary paperwork was my family’s byline. Doing that took a little more time, but it always brought us closer to our goals… it’s a shame most Americans don’t have the patience to do that anymore….. And it is something most Conservative Americans wont do, because liberty is not asking questions or writing on a few forms? Apparently it is more important to continue having failing health, or not finding a jobs program to get ahead, or a grant to go to school?? Thats RW Free-dumb! That’s ‘Merica ….better to whine than dine, flop than fly, close your eyes and let slip prosperity, as it rolls to someone else, because you would rather sit and watch FOX news and be outraged by the lies you swallow. Be dumber, hide from chem-trails that don’t exist. Worry about men in black suits. Pretend we never landed on the moon.

            It’s the dumbest friggin political arguments I have ever heard from Americans ever.

            Outraged, by a story they read on their Ipad about Acorn while sipping a Starbucks latte? Really?

            The whole Idea of being a citizen and instituting a democracy in the first place is the safety and comfort of all people in its borders. But oh no, according to naysayers one day the government is gonna come take something away…. Really??? its Been over two hundred years of the American Government helping the people within its borders who are smart enough to ask. And the Government been hiring Information specialists, as long as I can remember. From telephone operators, to receptionists, doorman, to guides, what the frig is so different about helpers??? Anyone?

            Sorry, but I don’t remember anything in this country being automatically a right. thats the Koolaid most Republican Americans believe in….. They call it rights but Ive always known it as concessions, give and take, knowing the lay of the land by reading the law and using any tool the government gives you or leaves out there to get ahead.

            If you think you have a god given right to freedom, better peddle your browser over to Wikipedia and read “Japanese American internment.” they thought they were Americans with rights too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment

            Nobody ever gave me anything? If I or any American said such rubbish it would be a lie. You are always beholding to someone who put you on the right path or gave you a chance. So what if you have to file for Social security, Medicare Obamacare, all government programs that help you have always, made you keep an accounting of yourself, and to be somewhat patient.

            The couch potato America of today doesn’t want to file paperwork even on their own behalf for their health, or even to own a business. They all think by being born in this country alone, that should grant them the head of the line, and catered to because they think by birth they earned it??? Another lie the right wing keeps telling themselves

            This is why naturalized citizens get ahead of doppy land born Americans daily, they are not afraid to ask questions and they fill out whatever paperwork it takes to get ahead.

            Stop worrying about Obamacare, and start worrying about the patriot act. Or the fact that republicans want to hand everything over to Corporations which is by its very definition is Fascism.

            1. Intodeepinsanity

              I actually read some of that.

              You seem aware of your health insurance premium, but not the coverage you have purchased. This, unfortunately, is a large part of the problem – uninformed consumers. They shop for premiums and then when they have a health issue, discover they don’t have coverage.

              Now you’re going to tell me you know exactly what you bought. Not buying it.

              1. Norma Duffy

                Mark you have no idea about my Insurance, not a clue and your guessing is so bad A person like me would break you in a poker game like a pretzel.

                I haven’t bought it yet. The prices won’t come out till October, which prove once and for all ,you haven’t even checked Obamacare out. You have no clue that we are being quoted prices that will go down further by October.

                I said I signed up for the marketplace, so I have a front row when the doors open.

                It amaze me how you dare even open your mouth about a subject you know absolutely nothing about.

                Your Caught in another lie again!

                1. Intodeepinsanity

                  You mentioned premiums. Not coverage. this is the guts of Obamacare. I’ve written extensively about it. You are free to question my wisdom or knowledge based n what I write. I am free also to judge you on your words here.

                  The exchanges open in October. Insurers will be offering four levels of coverage, bronze, sillver, gold and platinum, as their PR people call them. These cover 60, 70, 80 and 90% of covered expenses. Most people will opt for 60% based on premium, as they can’t afford much more.

                  “Coverage” is key. Insurers have now, at least in CO, elminated doctor visits as a covered item, meaning the they are not counted towards deductible or out-of-pocket. In essence, they are selling hospitalization policies + an annual physical where they also don’t pay for the office visit portion of the physical

                  So post-ACA, most people who even bother to buy these crap policies will be woefully under-insured.

                  I’ve also learned that the penalties for failure to buy insurance are not enforceable by IRS unless they can offset a refund. Congress (Liz Fowler, who briefly employed Baucus in this undertaking) specifically took away their collection power. Industry does not appear to care that much if we don’t buy their crap policies.

                  From that I conclude that industry is only interested in those whose premiums are subsidized, giving them crap policies and cashing in on a monstrous bonanza, courtesy Obama and the Democrats.

                  I find your attitude repugnant, your constant belittling and insinuation that I lack ethics and character deeply insulting. Please grow up.

                  1. Norma Duffy

                    AH Mark got caught with his pants down and is still trying to look like he knows something… what an Ass you have become.

                    Still talking about my insurance, and you still have no clue, cuz you do not know me, and you do not know my situation?

                    Stick to being a mediocre tax preparer Mark. You have no clue about OBamacare and finally got caught in pile of committing your lies.

                    Game over, I win Take the sole brain marble you play with and go home!

                    1. Norma Duffy

                      Prevenitive doctor visits that are free no co-payment.

                      1.Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm one-time screening for men of specified ages who have ever smoked
                      2.Alcohol Misuse screening and counseling
                      3.Aspirin use to prevent cardiovascular disease for men and women of certain ages
                      4.Blood Pressure screening for all adults
                      5.Cholesterol screening for adults of certain ages or at higher risk
                      6.Colorectal Cancer screening for adults over 50
                      7.Depression screening for adults
                      8.Diabetes (Type 2) screening for adults with high blood pressure
                      9.Diet counseling for adults at higher risk for chronic disease
                      10. HIV screening for everyone ages 15 to 65, and other ages at increased risk
                      11. Immunization vaccines for adults–doses, recommended ages, and recommended populations vary:

                      Hepatitis A
                      Hepatitis B
                      Herpes Zoster
                      Human Papillomavirus
                      Influenza (Flu Shot)
                      Measles, Mumps, Rubella
                      Meningococcal
                      Pneumococcal
                      Tetanus, Diphtheria, Pertussis
                      Varicella
                      12. Obesity screening and counseling for all adults

                      13.Sexually Transmitted Infection (STI) prevention counseling for adults at higher risk
                      Syphilis screening for all adults at higher risk
                      14. Tobacco Use screening for all adults and cessation interventions for tobacco users

                      Preventive health services for women:

                      1 Anemia screening on a routine basis for pregnant women
                      2.Breast Cancer Genetic Test Counseling (BRCA) for women at higher risk for breast cancer
                      3.Breast Cancer Mammography screenings every 1 to 2 years for women over 40
                      4 Breast Cancer Chemoprevention counseling for women at higher risk
                      5 Breastfeeding comprehensive support and counseling from trained providers, and access to 6 breastfeeding supplies, for pregnant and nursing women
                      7 Cervical Cancer screening for sexually active women
                      8 Chlamydia Infection screening for younger women and other women at higher risk
                      9.Contraception: Food and Drug Administration-approved contraceptive methods, sterilization procedures, and patient education and counseling, as prescribed by a health care provider for women with reproductive capacity (not including abortifacient drugs). This does not apply to health plans sponsored by certain exempt “religious employers.”
                      10 Domestic and interpersonal violence screening and counseling for all women
                      11 Folic Acid supplements for women who may become pregnant
                      12 Gestational diabetes screening for women 24 to 28 weeks pregnant and those at high risk of developing gestational diabetes
                      13 Gonorrhea screening for all women at higher risk
                      14 Hepatitis B screening for pregnant women at their first prenatal visit
                      15 HIV screening and counseling for sexually active women
                      16 Human Papillomavirus (HPV) DNA Test every 3 years for women with normal cytology results who are 30 or older
                      17 Osteoporosis screening for women over age 60 depending on risk factors
                      18 Rh Incompatibility screening for all pregnant women and follow-up testing for women at higher risk
                      19 Sexually Transmitted Infections counseling for sexually active women
                      20 Syphilis screening for all pregnant women or other women at increased risk
                      21 Tobacco Use screening and interventions for all women, and expanded counseling for pregnant tobacco users
                      22 Urinary tract or other infection screening for pregnant women
                      23 Well-woman visits to get recommended services for women under 65

                    2. Norma Duffy

                      Your so full of shit Mark.

                      Hospitals are compartmentalized now they have whole sections set aside for certain tests and procedures. do you think we are in the 12th century or something.

                      God your so stupid, I have 3 friend who are Diabetics no problem my brother a diabetic on medicaid same day service, I know I took him there regularly. I myself, I have never had to wait more than 2 days for any non emergency test or procedure ever in the US, or England, or France or Germany, or Canada….. and broken Bones same day in US same day in England, same day in Ireland Emergencies same day in any first world country.

                      Your a friggin clown Mark!

                  2. Norma Duffy

                    and I havent even touched on the Kids free doctor visits. All this plus insurance if you do get sick, and no caps on treatment.

                    we are not Colorado Mark. I asked assholes like you before about the distinction of borders, do you not understand that concept… any more than you understood science when Rob caught you not even acknowledging understanding of simple physics principles???

                    1. Intodeepinsanity

                      These tests, when done, are covered as preventive procedures. The problem is getting in to get them done, as office visits are not covered. Further, once done, what is covered? Say, for example, you have the American affliction, diabetes, adult onset or younger. after you learn you have it, what is covered? doctor visits? No. outpatient procedures? Probably, subject to deductible. What I said, Norman, and you are so angry and prejudiced you cannot think properly, is that we will all be under-insured. The diabetic above will not get treatment. he was forced to buy the insurance but all of the costs on top of the insurance are unaffordable so he forgoes treatment until it is an emergecy, in which case a hospital has to take him in and he has some coverage.

                      There was good intent to get preventive care in place, but the insurance companies headed it off at the pass by eliminating office visits. High deductibles and OOP’s will precent the rest.

                      Your typical response, to know zilch, run off and Google or consult some Democrat website and then come back pretending you know anything at all … Is comical. Your juvenile insults and name-calling speak of some problems with emotional control. Perhaps with Obama care you’ll get a diagnosis. Not treatment. Just a diagnosis

                    2. Norma Duffy

                      Poor little Markie, he thinks I insult him too much.

                      I only insult stupidity Mark, your a case in point, a prime example, a “first-class” or “particularly pertinent dummy……..You’re in actuality a bought and sold buffoon, sold on the notion, that through your eyes view and ego, you and you alone can solved the worlds mysteries.

                      Give it a rest weirdo, we have heard your hokum before… and I am sure we will hear more of that same taradiddle again.

                    3. Intodeepinsanity

                      Too typical, you are. My only question is “Has it always been thus?” Is this why we have fake democracy, for the Norma’s out there? Most likely, yes.

  4. Al Stevens

    Yes, Obama gave away way too much to the insurance comanies’ bought congressmen, and he should have fought harder for single payer, but at least it is a start. American citizens need to get off their asses and push for single payer. The Dems are pretty useless, so we need to go after all of them, and get behind Green if necessary. Congress is already sold; either we take money out of politics or we get independent representatives who represent us. This is not going to fix itself, and don’t expect anything more from Obama, and the teaturds sold out to corporate interests early on thanks to Dick Armey.
    Nobody’s coming to fix this for you…
    In many countries the citizens are standing up for themselves;

  5. Amorette

    I’m pretty sure the ACA is based on Bob Dole’s plan way back when. It was designed, like the Republican designed drug benefit, to make money for insurance companies and, if there was anything left over after outrageous CEO salaries and profits for shareholders, maybe some healthcare.
    But we couldn’t get a logical, non-profit motive healthcare in this country because too many rich people would lose their dividends so, we’re stuck.
    Profit and dividends shouldn’t be part of healthcare at all but as long as insurance companies and for-profit medical systems exist, we are stuck with them.

      1. Jan Thomas

        The law is being implemented in Montana by the federal government as we are a state whose legislature decised that we would not have a state based exhange run by our local insurance commissioner Monica Lindeen who is quite good i believe. You are supposed to go to healthcare.gov that’s the address of the health insurance marketplace for Montana.

        1. Norma Duffy

          Right!
          And you can sign up now for updates, on your SmartPhone, email, Marketplace opens in October, and starts implementation of health care the beginning of 2014.

          Git her done!

  6. jack ruby

    Well hopefully next time around the dems can nominate a stronger candidate like Laslovich for the AG post and we can send this hillbilly back to representing teabaggers in private practice.

        1. James Conner

          The name recognition is primarily in Silver Bow and Deer Lodge counties. That’s one of the main reasons he lost to Bucy, that and his youth. He might have a future in electoral politics, but he’d be wise to resume his career as a candidate after he turns 40.

          1. Norma Duffy

            Geez James I sure hope not. the one thing we are missing in politics is the voice of people younger. Time to stop pretending age is everything. It is not!

            1. Jan Thomas

              Certainly one doesn’t here is name being mentioned for U.S. Senate nor house in any of the stories. Nor Bucy for that matter.

          2. Jason Sweeny

            I disagree James, Jesse has great name recognition and there is no question he would have beat Fox in the general. But during the primary Cowgirl and strategies 360 did a good job of making Jesse look like some sort of anti-environmental corporate goon. Which in turn got Bucy an endorsement from Montana conservation voters, which is great in a dem primary but not very useful in a general. Also Jesse had a 99% with NARAL but they decided the ladies club was more important than endorsing a winning candidate. And before you knock Silver Bow/Deer Lodge, consider that no democrat wins a statewide without a strong turnout from both those counties. That is what hurt Pam, she attacked Jesse enough that a lot of Butte Anaconda people were not willing to vote for her in the general so her numbers in a very important democrat voting block were way down. Just an FYI Jesse would be about the best Senate candidate we could find at this point but he just had another child and has other important family obligations so he said he was not running the first time he was asked. So, like Kendal Vandyke, he put that to rest right away.

            1. James Conner

              Take another look at the returns from the primary. Laslovich did very well in Silver Bow and Deer Lodge (nothing wrong with that), but not around the rest of the state. See http://www.flatheadmemo.com/archives_2012/april_june/2012-06-06_bucy_victory.html. He never found a way to leverage his local strength into statewide strength. Nor did he find a way to counter Bucy’s shameless appeal for a gender identity vote (identity politics is the bane of the Democratic Party).

              I don’t share your opinion that Laslovich would be an effective candidate for the U.S. Senate. He was wise not to run.

              Laslovich is still a young man. He can afford to spend a few years in the wilderness caring for his family and learning more of the world’s ways.

              1. Dave Skinner

                Identity politics?
                James, that’s what I have always liked about you, you are honest to a fault.

      1. jack ruby

        James,
        I agree that an older more experienced laslovich is a stronger candidate but theres no question in my mind if laslovich had won the primary we would not be dealing with Tim Fox right now. I like Pam Bucy but she was a weaker candidate in the general election than lasklovich would have been. She was obviously in with the dem insider crowd which pushed her through the primary but that doesn’t do any good with republicans, independents & swing votes.

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