Montana GOP Reveals Health Care Reform Alternative, and It is a Doozy

Montana Republicans are touring the state to say that they’ve finally found the alterative to the Affordable Care Act they’ve been searching for:  legalizing religious insurance ponzi schemes.

Republicans are hosting seminars on the scheme across the state, the latest was in the Flathead, as you can see from this flyer. Former state insurance commissioner John Morrison took legal action and shut down such schemes as fraud in 2007, but now  Republicans are hoping to resurrect the effort to legalize the insurance ponzi schemes as an alternative to allowing Montanans to buy insurance through the exchange or to expanding Medicaid to the working poor.

Here’s how this works: To join the ponzi scheme you must must pledge your devout Christian faith (and even get a reference from a minister).  You must not to drink, take drugs or have sex outside of a “traditional” marriage.  Pre-existing conditions make you ineligible to participate at all, although one does get the benefit of a “prayer chain.”

The coverage doesn’t include products of “un-Biblical lifestyles,” such as contraception or substance rehabilitation–or preventive care like PAP tests, colonoscopies and mammograms.

Usually, bill-sharing plan members contribute a predetermined amount each month. When they have a medical bill, they receive monetary help from fellow members. All of the programs are careful to bury in the fine print that they not promising to pay bills, only “facilitating a voluntary sharing.” Some of these schemes even publish your medical problems in a newsletter to “share” your bill with the community in case anyone wants to chip in–so much for medical privacy.

The MT case in which insurance commissioner John Morrison shut down the scam was initiated after a Montana pastor submitted his bills for treatment of a heart condition and a company called Medi-Share refused to pay for them. The pastor had signed a contract with a scheme called Medi-Share for coverage of his medical expenses, but the company continued to maintain that they had no duty to pay claims.

The last couple of sessions saw a couple of bills to legalize religious the ponzi schemes including SB 181, which were vetoed by both Schweitzer and Bullock.

Meanwhile Art Wittch has tried to plagiarize  Scott Walker’s failed planfrom Wisconsin, which has already failed in that state, been widely panned by the states own legislative counsel and the states largest papers.  They say Walker cost state taxpayers hundreds of millions more than if they had gone with the actual medicaid expansion and that besides costing state taxpayers hundreds of millions more the Walker plan “left the state worse off.”

To be sure, these are positive developments in that Republicans have realized that they have lost the battle of whether reform and coverage should go forward, the battle is now over what kind of coverage and reform that should be.  So this is, for now, a victory for the people of Montana, even though these ludicrous ideas for costly failed boondoggles and insurance ponzi schemes from other states must not go forward.

 

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64 Comments on "Montana GOP Reveals Health Care Reform Alternative, and It is a Doozy"

  1. The hostility this post reveals is disappointing. SB 181 would have added “health care sharing ministries” to the list of several other exempt groups which include farm mutual insurers, benevolent organizations, and fraternal benefit societies. http://leg.mt.gov/bills/2013/billhtml/SB0181.htm Federal law defines a “heath care sharing ministry.” 26 U.S.C. 5000A http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5000A

    (2) Religious exemptions
    (A) Religious conscience exemption
    Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is—
    (i) a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof which is described in section 1402 (g)(1), and
    (ii) an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.
    (B) Health care sharing ministry
    (i) In general Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual is a member of a health care sharing ministry for the month.
    (ii) Health care sharing ministry The term “health care sharing ministry” means an organization—
    (I) which is described in section 501 (c)(3) and is exempt from taxation under section 501 (a),
    (II) members of which share a common set of ethical or religious beliefs and share medical expenses among members in accordance with those beliefs and without regard to the State in which a member resides or is employed,
    (III) members of which retain membership even after they develop a medical condition,
    (IV) which (or a predecessor of which) has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1999, and medical expenses of its members have been shared continuously and without interruption since at least December 31, 1999, and
    (V) which conducts an annual audit which is performed by an independent certified public accounting firm in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles and which is made available to the public upon request.

    Displaying such hostility towards religion and religious organizations in posts such as this one from a Democrat Party mouthpiece such as this blog will only marginalize Dem candidates such as Amanda Curtis that bow to this nonsense.

    • That’s some fluff. Hey, I thought political blogs like this didn’t matter, Craig. Aren’t all the voters in Montana still getting most news from the afternoon editions? Republicans sure act like it.

    • The hostility to the schemes that come from the Far-Far-Right, now known as the Republican Party, is not directed at your choice of gods. It’s directed at the dishonest, bigoted people who hatch them in order to advance their own rigid agendas at the expense of those who can least afford to fight back. The examples are rife since this latest carpet(tea)baggery came into vogue after a non-white person became president, but let’s just mention Ravalli County, shall we? Our family planning clinic was shut down by three county commissioners spouting the same hurt-Christian nonsense Mr. Moore opines for all to see above at the very same second they hired a shameless grifter (and fellow tea bagger) to be our county treasurer. And what’s the first thing this Republican Central Committee “treasurer” does when she’s caught with taxpayer checks and money stuffed in every crack and crevasse of her office instead of in the bank where a reasonable taxpayer thinks they should be? She pontificates to the huddled masses (us I guess) about how she didn’t want to do it but that her god told her to do what she did to “root out corruption at the highest level”. She’s a saint by her own proclamation, in other words and more than a bit of a sociopath by any reasonable definition of the word. But never mind, say the faithful, including Theresa Mandella, who captured and posted this timeless video on youTube, who apparently agreed with the grifter and who you’ll probably see in Helena next year sitting next to other “magical-thinking” legislators like Sarah Laslofsky, “representing” the very taxpayers (me and mine) whose money got stuffed by the holy grifter, Valery Stamey aka Addis aka (whatever). And you’ll be seeing her there because she’ll get voted in by a whole passle of folks here who actually vote for chaos (or Armaggedon if you want to be religiously-correct, Craig). Mark Twain once defended a fellow reporter who was fired for inserting “Jesus H. Christ” in an article to underscore a point: he wasn’t being profane, Twain pointed out. He was just using Jesus’ full name. So, in respectful memory to all the real Americans who, throughout our history, have never put up with this self-serving, crooked crap either: Jesus H. Christ!

      • Bill, did you actually read my comment? Please quote my words where you claim I spout,”… the same hurt-Christian nonsense Mr. Moore opines for all to see…” Where did I mention Christianity? Are you even aware of other religious affiliations including Unitarians, Buddhists, Shintos, Islamists, Aboriginal beliefs, Jews, Mormons, etc., etc., and etc. Where in the definition of “health care sharing ministry” is Christianity even mentioned?

        That being said, I agree with you about Ravalli County. I for one have have never supported any politician who missuses their religious beliefs in the fashion you have described. But, that doesn’t give you license to launch into a bigoted rant against me or Christianity in general as if one brush stroke paints all. To do so is a loosing strategy for the Democrat Party and its candidates that spout such hostility. http://www.catholicvote.org/hard-to-win-in-montana-if-you-mock-god-guns-and-the-family/

        • I’ll just rest my case on what you just said other than to say that I wish the Dems would “loose”en up and quick acting like they’re touching a hot potato when someone’s religio-toes get stepped on. And you do mean Christian, don’t you, Craig? We may be a bit tight on this end of the political spectrum, but we’re really not that stupid.

        • Are Mormons eligible? Perhaps Mitt could start a new career for Morman care or something?

        • Nobody’s mocking your guns or your ability to quote corporate-funded websites. Follow the money and you nearly always find truth.

          This poster gets not one thin dime for sharing her opinion with ignorant tools like your poor self. I weep for your immortal soul, which you have obviously sold for a handful of promised baubles.

    • Its called the separation of church and State Craig. Read about it sometime. Our founders kinda invented that, just for People like you!

    • These guys are like the Hydra: you cut off one head and another filthy head pops up, slavering at the jowls with righteous bullpucky. It’s a good thing there are plenty of Montanans with nice sharp minds to hack away at the deception and smokescreens thrown up by big-money exploiters.

  2. Does this legislation point to the hand of ALEC?

    I continue to be surprised that Republicans oppose “Obamacare,” as it is a huge giveaway to private insurance companies. That’s right, more taxpayer money going straight into the pockets of corporations.

    The “poor” or “working poor” are conduits through which the money flows. The War on the Poor benefits big corporations. Much like food stamps, which, yes, benefit the “poor,” but also benefit WalMart. As whistleblower Peter Van Buren points out:

    “In one year, nine Walmart Supercenters in Massachusetts received more than $33 million in SNAP dollars — more than four times the SNAP money spent at farmers’ markets nationwide. In two years, Walmart received about half of the one billion dollars in SNAP expenditures in Oklahoma. Overall, 18% of all food benefits money is spent at Walmart.”

    In regards to health insurance, I support “Medicare for All.”

  3. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 24, 2014 2:21 PM at 2:21 PM |

    “To be sure, these are positive developments in that Republicans have realized that they have lost the battle of whether reform and coverage should go forward, the battle is now over what kind of coverage and reform that should be”

    Cgirl, I must disagree with your conclusion. They have realized nothing, and never will. They will simply continue to try to find a way around decent coverage. AND, continue to try to privatize all health care and inject their bizarre religious beliefs into the governmental structures. I mean, can you even imagine what would have happened if they had proposed this stuff pre-Reagan? They would have been laffed off the stage! But they have softened up the public with slick Kockhaganda campaigns, and it’s working. It’s just another step on the road to christofascism.

    But I have warned of this for a long time now. Hell, listen to their AFR channel all the time. Scary, scary stuff. And in the name of Jesus. All bets are off now, for their aggressive activism knows no bounds. AND, the Kockh brothers fund much of this nonsense through their tax exempt groups.

    I told you that one church now has several billboards up around town. I mean really, wtf? What OTHER church has to post billboards around town to gain followers??? And why? Bizarre stuff. And then I saw a billboard that said simply Skull Church. I thought, NOW wtf? So I googled it. Turns out it’s a bizarre head banging “christian” rock group! And people call ME the crazy one! Who the hell could follow such bizarre stuff and STILL think that the Lord approves? This IS no country for old men such as myself.

    Check it out. Skull Church. And tell me, how do they differ from racist white sumpremnit rock???

  4. As the faithful discover only too late, these frauds who organize and manipulate the faithful and profit enormously from such scheme aren’t Christian at all.
    Just because they say they are doesn’t make it so.
    No one can look into a man’s heart to know for sure, so instead we have laws where a case can be made and put before a jury for a verdict.
    All this right-wing legislation would do is unleash the thieves in the marketplace. They won’t even have to pray for forgiveness.

  5. Teabaggers might as well get out the ‘snakes and start the holy rollin’ as their alternatives like the
    scams being ‘floated’ out by ‘Tea-vangelists’ with GOP endorsements. Tea Party is all about ‘I got mine,
    to heck with ya’ll lazy slacker three year olds and disabled moms’………

  6. Anyone see the bills Daines said yes to lately all written by the GOP with Lying names called like: “American work act?” Which has nothing to do with work or jobs just gifts for the 1%. Not only are these ill named bills he is saying yeah to not part of the pay-go act( another story where the GOP don’t write anything anymore they have to prove is paid for), but they are changing tax laws to the benefit of the 1% and putting it on the backs of workers once again. The other side of this stupid bill is giving big companies the same Tax breaks as little Business on ACA. Keeping Big ass companies from paying there fare share.

    That’s the Daines way! Screwing the little guy.

    The other bill Daines just said yes too before he left on another vacation from congress is the: “American Energy Solutions for Lower Costs and More American Jobs Act” another lying bill that is just for starting the XL pipeline. 50 permanent jobs nation wide, while expanding medicare in Montana alone will give us 12000. Then there is the little hiccup of allowing Transcanada their way. which will raise gas prices at least 60 cents at the pump . I shit you not. Canada will no longer have to give us cut rate gas prices and economists are saying that will raise gasoline prices exponentially.

    Neither of these bills will pass the Senate. Neither of these bills will reach the Prez’s desk.

    We are getting crapped on by Daines daily. He hasn’t the balls to even debate the war on ISIL. WHich is supposed to be debated by Congress. The mans a lie on the face of montana people everywhere.

  7. Steve Daines is called a Job Creator by his supporters.

    The same people claim that Government doesn’t create jobs.

    Ergo, Steve Daines should remain in the private sector creating jobs.

    Very simple.

    • Franky, ‘those people’ recognize that govt policies and regulations are crushing small business and the jobs they provide. http://www.economist.com/node/21547789 The people in govt that have never worked a day in the world outside govt. employment just don’t understand….. just like you seem to not get it.

      AMERICANS love to laugh at ridiculous regulations. A Florida law requires vending-machine labels to urge the public to file a report if the label is not there. The Federal Railroad Administration insists that all trains must be painted with an “F” at the front, so you can tell which end is which. Bureaucratic busybodies in Bethesda, Maryland, have shut down children’s lemonade stands because the enterprising young moppets did not have trading licences. The list goes hilariously on.

      But red tape in America is no laughing matter. The problem is not the rules that are self-evidently absurd. It is the ones that sound reasonable on their own but impose a huge burden collectively. America is meant to be the home of laissez-faire. Unlike Europeans, whose lives have long been circumscribed by meddling governments and diktats from Brussels, Americans are supposed to be free to choose, for better or for worse. Yet for some time America has been straying from this ideal.
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      Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
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      Consider the Dodd-Frank law of 2010. Its aim was noble: to prevent another financial crisis. Its strategy was sensible, too: improve transparency, stop banks from taking excessive risks, prevent abusive financial practices and end “too big to fail” by authorising regulators to seize any big, tottering financial firm and wind it down. This newspaper supported these goals at the time, and we still do. But Dodd-Frank is far too complex, and becoming more so. At 848 pages, it is 23 times longer than Glass-Steagall, the reform that followed the Wall Street crash of 1929. Worse, every other page demands that regulators fill in further detail. Some of these clarifications are hundreds of pages long. Just one bit, the “Volcker rule”, which aims to curb risky proprietary trading by banks, includes 383 questions that break down into 1,420 subquestions.

      Hardly anyone has actually read Dodd-Frank, besides the Chinese government and our correspondent in New York (see article). Those who have struggle to make sense of it, not least because so much detail has yet to be filled in: of the 400 rules it mandates, only 93 have been finalised. So financial firms in America must prepare to comply with a law that is partly unintelligible and partly unknowable….

      Democrats write rules to expand the welfare state. Barack Obama’s health-care reform of 2010 had many virtues, especially its attempt to make health insurance universal. But it does little to reduce the system’s staggering and increasing complexity. Every hour spent treating a patient in America creates at least 30 minutes of paperwork, and often a whole hour. Next year the number of federally mandated categories of illness and injury for which hospitals may claim reimbursement will rise from 18,000 to 140,000. There are nine codes relating to injuries caused by parrots, and three relating to burns from flaming water-skis.

      Two forces make American laws too complex. One is hubris. Many lawmakers seem to believe that they can lay down rules to govern every eventuality. Examples range from the merely annoying (eg, a proposed code for nurseries in Colorado that specifies how many crayons each box must contain) to the delusional (eg, the conceit of Dodd-Frank that you can anticipate and ban every nasty trick financiers will dream up in the future). Far from preventing abuses, complexity creates loopholes that the shrewd can abuse with impunity.

      The other force that makes American laws complex is lobbying. The government’s drive to micromanage so many activities creates a huge incentive for interest groups to push for special favours. When a bill is hundreds of pages long, it is not hard for congressmen to slip in clauses that benefit their chums and campaign donors. The health-care bill included tons of favours for the pushy.

      Remember George McGovern. He woke up to this reality. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970203406404578070543545022704

      • Funny but having owned several small businesses and belonging to several trade groups I have yet to talk to a small business owner that rated Government Regulation in the top 10 problems their business faced. The complexity of the tax code and the difficulty finding knowledgeable employees were always my #1 & #2 problems-third was-you guessed it-insurance. The John Birch Society meetings I attended in the 70’s placed the Insurance Corporations as one of the greatest threats to our democracy, somewhat like our Founding Fathers felt about corporations in general. “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” Thomas Jefferson What really should be done is to simply back the clock up, reinstate Glass/Steagall as originally written, enforce the IRS code as originally written regarding 501’s engaging in political activities and reverse ALL of the tax cuts given out during the Trickle Down Duping that has gone on for the last 30 years. Actually what really needs to be done is to study the Justice Powell Memo and then do the opposite of what he spelled out there.

      • You sure told me.

        What I have no idea but you told me something.

        BTW I have worked for the Gov. (USFS) and hated it. and worked for 40 years in the private sector, I own a small business and have worked for small, medium and very large companies.

        • Small business owners are the poor stooges who will ultimately pay for ignorant rubes like our pal Craig, who will get sick and become a burden on us through our legally obtained health care insurance.

    • Steve Daines – More ‘BS’ and Less integrity!

  8. Why does every Republican in Montana us a variation of “Great Taste, Less Filling” as their slogan! I find this absurd.

  9. Sorry Craig but the right and left now have a common enemy and it is called big outside business.

    They are coming to Montana to dig up coal because we only have no real union to protect the workers here. Only one coal mine allows unionization here for its 160 workers. Meanwhile Steve Daines himself wrote Bills to close benefits and hospitals for coal mine members who get black lung. ot to mention coal cant sell its wares to any coal desk in America, because every bank in the country closed their coal Desks for trading. Kinda means are coal has to go overseas….. and wait all the banks like JP Morgan have back out of the deals to build more coal facilities on the coast.

    Your Ideas are dying in plain site as renewable energy is the only companies building exponentially in America. Wind and solar are now on the same price plain as oil. and the only companies growing in American energy

    Oil is dying, and played out oil wells are becoming sources for natural gas. Natural gas can now be change to Gasoline at the surprisingly low cost of 1 dollar a gallon, compared to a barrel of oil that only produces 19 gallons of gas refined at about 4 dollars a gallon

    Your losing Craig. everything is changing around you as if hit by meteors…. and your the dinosaur to stupid to get out of the way.

    Adapt of Die.

    • Norma, I understand the gist of your comment but there is no way that crude oil can be refined into gasoline at a cost of $4.00 per gallon and we are still able to purchase it at a retail price of less than $4.00 per gallon. Everybody in the oil-to gasoline chain is making boatloads of money which the could not do if it cost $.00 per galon to refine oil into gasoline.

      • Not under the current system in the US, no. If we could transition to a more streamlined system that didn’t include kickbacks to corporate overlords and tributes paid to keep uppity foreign govt’s in line, that could change.

    • You hit it on the head! These poor schmucks haven’t caught up yet with the depth of the magic show put on by the corporate overlords. Pray for their poor, benighted souls!

  10. U.S. refineries produce about 19 gallons of motor gasoline from one barrel (42 gallons) of crude oil. The remainder of the barrel yields other refined products, such as distillate and residual fuel oils, jet fuel, and petroleum coke. Refinery yields of individual products vary from month to month as refiners focus operations to meet demand for different products and maximize profits. Plus there is some regulations in Place to keep gas prices low. It is not a stretch of the imagination to believe the costs are offset by Regulation, and other products.

    Canada has to sell their gas below costs to the USA as well by trade regulation, but part of the bargain of building the XLPIPELINE will allow them to send Gasoline for the first time at cost to the USA. Economists state that will drive our prices at the Pump to more than 50 cents a gallon more possibly 60 cents per Gallon

    http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=24&t=6

    http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/sites/default/files/resources/keystonexl_cwd.pdf

  11. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 25, 2014 5:02 PM at 5:02 PM |

    JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL! Yes, that’s right folks. Cracker Jaysus is gonna take the wheel of the ship of state! His first mate will be a Big Kockh!
    I’ve been tryin’ to TELL you for a long time now that the christofacists are comin’! But noooo. NO one would believe me! While, finally, some of the political connections are finally being exposed! And Big Church has Big Kockh writ large all OVER it! Mega Church = Mega Kockh! Or fascism! No need to worry though, for you’ll get your reeward in Heaven, while the Kockhs get theirs here! It’s called PATRIOTISM! It’s patri-OTIC to join a ponzie scheme health care for Jaysus! Sure, you gonna get screwed, but screwed in the name of JAYSUS ain’t a bad thing, right?

    Look around. Hell, the fascism is palpable here in GF. The signs are everywhere. Wacko Cracker Jaysus churches springin’ up all ove’r the place. And everyone you meet flyin’ the Merican flag and talkin’ ’bout Jaysus! Sick, some really sick shit goin’ on here! When did Jaysus become such an important topic of discussion?! And more importantly, WHY? I mean, who the f*cking hell really GIVES two shits if Jaysus is your savior! Keep it to your DAMN self! Forty, fifty years ago, ONLY the Jesus jumpers down south made a big to do about their goofy religion! Intelligent people that weren’t inbred could have cared LESS for the most part! To each his own. Hell, when I was a kid, we didn’t know/care WHAT religion a person was.

    Inbreds on parade!

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/25/the-1-billion-a-year-right-wing-conspiracy-you-haven-t-heard-of.html

    • Larry, I’ve always loved your style! Keep kickin’ em in the old codpiece, matey! The world needs more great commenters! Four stars from the Robinator.

      • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 26, 2014 5:23 PM at 5:23 PM |

        Hey, thanks, Robinator. Glad to see you posting. Keep it up. I gets mighty lonely sometimes bein’ the only codpiece kicker around! It usually gets me banned more often than not. So I have to walk the line very cautiously between good taste, good humor, and TRVTH! And I haven’t been banned in over a week! (thank you, cowgirl)

        What part of the state or country are you from? East, west, or in between?

        And for the record, I actually LISTENED to nearly all of the speeches at the so-called Values Voter Summit today. I puked, but I’m sure that Jesus WEPT! These chrisofascist a**holes are some sick sumbitches! And traitors to. I hate them, for they are everything this great country of ours is not!

        All the speeches should be on the net. Check it out. But don’t blame me if it makes you sick!

        And again, I’m sure that Jesus wept! But if it’s any comfort to the Lord, I’m SURE that we’ll put the smile back on his face when the Dick, cheney, finally dies! For we will have a party that will TRULY, and VERILY I say unto you, make one friggin’ HELLUVA a joyful noise! For NOTHING, repeat NOTHING will bring the world together in one giant party for humanity as the Dick, cheney’s send off to HELL! It’ll be worldwide! And FINALLY, bring Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist, Buddhist, Taoist, Hindu together in one giant celebration of humanity!

        MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! The Dick’s departure to Hell will finally do what the Shrub and his Dick, cheney, said they would do. It will bring peace to the Middle East!

        Come ON, Dick! We need you more now than ever! Do it for your country! Do it for the world! DO IT FOR JESUS! Die you no good nazzzi son of a bitch! For I’m workin’ up quite a thirst for my thirty year old bottle of Scotch!

  12. Cowgirl, it would be great if you could name those who are spouting this insurance scheme. Your article just says “Republicans.” Who?

  13. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 27, 2014 6:32 AM at 6:32 AM |

    Good catch by Jon Adams.

    This Van Dink character is PLENTY stupid enough to be a good christofascist inbred pubbie moron, but he is simply TOO stupid to be placed on the supreme court! Not my words, but the words of head of the school’s law review! Yeah, that’s ALL we need is a dink like Van Dink on the supreme court. Then, all the kiddies in public schools can start larnin’ how Jesus rode a dinosaur! Come ON, Montana! Send Van Dink packin’! Enuff with the religio whores shit! Believe whatever you want to, but do NOT try to legitimize it with law! That’s simply Kockh nonsense whores shit! And guy’s like Van Dink are just pimpin’ for the billionaires! For if you don’t believe science, then ANYTHING can be considered science! Bad, bad move!

    http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/politics/2014/09/26/candidates-essay-spurred-intelligent-design-debate/16274559/

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 27, 2014 6:41 AM at 6:41 AM |

      The ONLY science you need is JAYSUS science! For Jaysus said, and I quote, “verily I say unto you, if you drink poison, you shall not die”! Or some such. THAT is the Kockh plan for the environment! JAYSUS is all the regulation we need!

      http://malcontends.blogspot.com/2014/09/scott-walkers-contributors-gift.html

      it’s gettin’ REEEL weird out there! I mean, did you EVER in your life think that we’d get a dink like Van Dink, a monkey trial reject, to run for our supreme court?! thas what happens when good folks let bad inbreds run the show and don’t fight back! they USED to teach Inherit the Wind in high schools, but I’m sure that that has been banned! can’t upset the inbred Jesus jumpers now, can we?! funny thing is, i’m quite SURE that pope francis would approve! when I see a Jesuit, ONE Jesuit, ANY Jesuit accept intelligent design, i’ll believe it myself! can you inbreds find me one, or are we to simply believe the dickwad duckwad dynasty illiterate inbred scholars for Jaysus?

      • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 27, 2014 6:46 AM at 6:46 AM |

        Shall we surrender our supreme court, AND our reason and logic, to a Jaysus jumpin’ dink? NO! By God. NO!

        • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 27, 2014 8:44 AM at 8:44 AM |

        • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 27, 2014 6:04 PM at 6:04 PM |

          SumBITCH! I THEENK that this scientist just called Mr. Van Dink an inbred moron! Them is FIGHTIN’ words here in Montany, mr. hotsy totsy scientist dude! Jaysus din’t DIE so’s that some a**hole scientist dude could make fun of good inbred Christian wackos like Van Dink, and Pee Wee Daines, and mr. giantfart! This is AMERICA, dude! You want us to come over there and JEEEHAD your commie ass?! KNOCK IT OFF! Look, sure, we may be ignernt, inbread, dickwad/duckwad dy NASTY reetarts across the pond over here. But by GOD we know when we’ve been attacked! And you have insulted one of our own! Sure, he may be an pathetic inbred moron, but by THUNDER he’s OUR pathetic inbred moron!

          So, if you don’t want us to shock and AWE your commie ass, you best print a ree TRACION! The earth, a hundred and fifty million years old. HRRRUMMPH! My ASS! Next thing you’ll be sayin’ is that JAYSUS din’t have a pet DINO saur! You godless commie bassturds are ALL alike! You’re prolly gay too! Jus’ sayin’.

          http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/no-single-missing-link-found-in-dinosaur-to-bird-evolution-process/

  14. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 27, 2014 6:38 PM at 6:38 PM |

    CRAPPER COMMANDO TAKES A DUMP!………again! The poor widdle nazzzis STILL can’t figure out how to write something that people will actually READ! I FEEL THEIR PAIN! I mean, how the freakin’ HELL can one put a smiley face on a Big Kockh, a sarah palin, a Pee Wee daines, a Van Dink, a Slinky the Barking Seal??? I dunno, and I consider myself to be a damn good write! But hell, even I couldn’t put a smiley face on a turd and call it good! Ain’t enough literary turd polish in the freakin’ WORLD for that!

    A Brief Sabbatical

    September 10, 2014 by Marcus·0 Comment

    The CC crew has been enjoying the last few weeks of summer amidst a busy school and work schedule. We have no plans of disappearing and intend to again post regular articles in the coming weeks. We hope our readership has been enjoying the beautiful Montana outdoors as well and look forward to continuing the conversation this fall/winter.

    Buh BYE, Marcass. We hardly knew ye. Well, actually, we NEVER knew ye! Geez, dufus, get a CLUE with your education! You’re a dumbazz and it shows! You WILL not be missed!

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 27, 2014 6:42 PM at 6:42 PM |

      craigy, was this a gag site? It wasn’t a real site was it? It was a gag site! You guys were pullin’ our leg here, weren’t you? And we fell for it! Great job, crapper commando! You had us going there for a second! For a couple’a inbreds, youd done good!

      http://coppercommando.com/

  15. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 28, 2014 1:28 PM at 1:28 PM |

    DINK ALERT! And I have YET to have my definition proved false, the one that says that conservative is just another word for STOOOPID! Lil’ ricky proves my point admirably! I mean, what he has written is blog material stuff, NOT a guest ed in a major newspaper ferrcrhissakes! Really, what has he added to the discussion? Of issues? With facts! And insight? And intelligence? And good writing?

    And btw, I’m glad to see that all you lefties drink latte and listen to Bob Dylan! This dude is NOT folksy, just dorky!

    Compare and contrast this garbage with eds written by liberal Mary Moe. Jeebus but Pubbies are pathetic!

    http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/opinion/columnists/2014/09/28/amanda-curtis-campaign-bit-wobbly/16376299/

    Also, the Spitoon HAD to point out on the same page that the “Montana Pubbie Party” says that Amanda has received an F from the NRA. Oh REALLY? Based upon what? A fart from Marsbutt’s butt? Come ON, Spitoon. Do you ever freakin’ FACT CHECK! WHERE is the NRA report that gives Amanda an F? I find that very hard to believe! Jeebus. Garbage paper, garbage news!

    • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 28, 2014 1:30 PM at 1:30 PM |

      A for John, F for Amanda on guns

      “Fourth-generation Montanan John Lewis (Democratic candidate for U.S. House from Helena) has earned an A rating from the National Rifle Association,” the Lewis campaign said in a news release. “The news comes as his opponent (GOP’s Ryan Zinke of Whitefish) heads to Texas to campaign with elite exotic animal hunters at a fundraiser hosted by the infamous Dallas Safari Club.”
      .

      Speaking of the NRA, the Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate, Amanda Curtis, received an F rating, according to the Montana Republican Party, which in a news release claimed it was “the first time in history that a Montana candidate for federal office has been granted such a low grade on Second Amendment issues.” No immediate response was forthcoming from the Curtis campaign.

      • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 28, 2014 1:37 PM at 1:37 PM |

        Here ya go! It’s true cause they SAY it’s true! But do you see an actual FACT in here anywhere? Me neither. What horse shit nonsense! Because she voted against silencers on guns?? Hell, ALL us traditional Montanans are against horse shit laws that come from Marsbutt’s ass like silencers on rifles! The stuff comin’ outta Marsbutt’s ass is NOT traditional Montana stuff I guaran TEE you! Sorry ’bout that! And it is definitely NOT un-Constitutional!

        https://www.nrapvf.org/articles/20140926/amanda-curtis-candidate-for-us-senate-from-montana-earns-f-rating-from-nra

        • Silencer? Really???? Are you deaf? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM8xvE5B4yk

          If the sound is dampened but not silenced what is your problem? Why doesn’t Curtis understand the facts? If you don’t believe your ears, try this link as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3VITZ6-CcY Perhaps this is but one of many Curtis failures on understanding firearms. But WTH, she’s got you to apologize for her.

          • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 28, 2014 5:28 PM at 5:28 PM |

            Hey, craigy, family been here for some ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY YEARS! Don’t need no dink like MarsbuTT to ex-PLAIN for us either the Constitution OR traditional gun values! This is a bullshit argument pulled OUTTA marsubutt’s ass! Get OVER it! Go back and protect Jaysus mountain! Now THERE’S an issue the inbreds can understand!

            • Blah, blah, blah. If the sound is dampened but not silenced what is your problem? Why doesn’t Curtis understand the facts? If you don’t believe your ears, try this link as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3VITZ6-CcY Perhaps this is but one of many Curtis failures on understanding firearms. But WTH, she’s got you to apologize for her.

              All of the smoke and mirrors you are enamored with just doesn’t cut it.

              • Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 28, 2014 6:02 PM at 6:02 PM |

                If Marsbutt farts in the forest, does anyone really care??? Come ON, craigy! Are you goin’ freakin’ SENILE here, dude? I mean, just WHO IN THE FREAKIN’ HELL thinks UP this stuff except Marsbutt and the NRA?? It’s a joke, and everyone is laffing their asses off except you little tightie righties! EVERY landowner I’ve talked to thinkS that silencers are a bad, baaaad idea! They do NOT want dudes on their land with silencers. Why? Why do you friggin’ THINK?! It’s called poaching, craigy. Maybe you’ve HEARD of it!

                btw, this has NOTHING to do with the friggin’ Constitution! And EVERYTHING to do with getting little pisssant nazzzis like Pee Wee Daines elected! Norma is right. The interests of the big gun manufacturers are NOT the interests of your average Montanan! I mean, my GOD! Just how many guns do you need??? One for each purpose, and you end up with maybe twenty! Unless of course you’re a collector, and then you can’t resist an old gun!

                But this is an absolute baseless, bullshit attack on Amanda Montana! Look, NO ONE wants guns in bars, ex CEPT Marsbutt! NO ONE wants silencers ex CEPT Marsbutt! NO ONE wants guns on campus ex CEPT Marsbutt! NO ONE wants guns in the hands of mentally ill ex CEPT Marsbutt!

                And that is the TRVTH, craigy. These attacks are gonna backfire BIG time when people see the actual argument! I mean, can you even IMAGINE the conversations! “Honey, I think we ought to send our young daughter to college in Montana where everyone is packin’ heat”! Yeah RIGHT! You morons are freakin’ DELUSIONAL! And it’s gonna cost you an election!

                I’ve got just two words for you, craigy. Cornhole Burns! We ALL know that Cornhole was a complete idiot, but he won! And just how did he do it? He SNUCK in, just like Amanda Montana will! Remember? The Pubes used the wilderness bill to sneak Cornhole into the senate, and the Dems will use YOUR attempt to SELL OFF OUR PUBLIC LANDS the same way! I mean, just HOW FREAKIN’ STUPID ARE you morons to put that in your platform?

                But I’m glad that you did! HEY, I have never said that you guys were real bright! And for that, I say THANK YOU!

  16. Amanda Curtis A gun owner and sportmans who gets an F from the NRA? The argument is an Ad-Hominem Argument from the rightonly, no facts were observed by me either just Craig’s kind of RW Hysteria.

    WHo cares what the NRA says anymore? They only speak for gun Manufacturing moguls. I belong to Sportman’s groups. Yeah know, Real People who actually explain how best practices in hunting means protecting our environment so people can hunt every year. No fear-mongering there. Just honest debate to make things better!

    Silencers are for people too old to be carrying a weapon let alone shooting it and poachers.

    • Norma, let’s deal with facts. Is the sound silenced or merely dampened? Why don’t you and Curtis understand the difference and why hunters just might prefer a dampening effect?

      I am tired of hearing other hunters shots spooking game.

      • BTW, dispute these facts. http://ncsilencer.blogspot.com/2011/02/sounds-decibels-and-suppressors.html

        The .22LR rifle.
        Firing a .22LR rifle (unsuppressed) is considered by some to be the minimum sound level that can be tolerated without using hearing protection. But, from a bolt-action .22LR rifle, the sound can be as high as 140dB with standard velocity ammunition. That’s well above the threshold where irreversible hearing damage begins. Impulse noise beyond 120dB can cause hearing damage, but the limit of acceptable impulse sound according to OSHA is 140dB, so there’s a big margin there. To play it safe, make sure you use some sort of hearing protection if the gun you’re firing will produce sounds exceeding the 120dB level. And by hearing protection, we mean firearm suppressors, of course. What happens to the sound level when you attach a suppressor to that .22LR bolt-action rifle? With a good suppressor, the sound level will drop to around 112db, in some cases, even when shooting standard velocity ammunition. That’s an SPL almost 1,000 times less powerful than shooting unsuppressed. And it’s quieter than some pellet guns.

        What about high-power and larger caliber rifles?
        A high-power center-fire rifle like the .308 will produce around 167dB when shot unsuppressed. Add a good suppressor, and you’ll bring the level down to the low 130s. That’s the equivalent sound level of an unsuppressed .22LR rifle being fired. And with the added benefit of reduced recoil, that .308 becomes a lot more enjoyable to shoot with a suppressor.

        Pistols with and without suppressors.
        Depending on the caliber, most common semi-auto pistols will produce decibels ranging from the high 150s to the low 160s when fired unsuppressed. Add a good suppressor and you can bring it down to the 125dB to 130dB range. And remember, that 25-30 decibel reduction is actually a 1,000x reduction in actual sound pressure level.

  17. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers | September 28, 2014 6:32 PM at 6:32 PM |

    UH oh! Even a GIANT KOCKH can’t make a limp Daines erect again! Jeebus! What have I been TELLIN’ ya?! You see, even the reporters in this state have to live here too, and even THEY have only a limited amount of patience for BULLSHIT! Great JOB, Mikey D.! I knew you could do it! You see, the whiney tightie righties are gonna wet themselves when they read this article. But why? Well, it’s like I explained before about ol’ Harry Truman. Someone from the audience yelled out, “Give’em hell, harry”. And Harry explained, “I don’t give them hell. I just tell them the truth and they THINK it’s hell”!

    And that is exactly what’s goin’ on here! Mikey D. is tellin’ the TRVTH! And the TRVTH is that this is STILL Montana, and we can STILL tell the difference between bullshit and shinola! And Pee Wee Daines is full of BULLSHIT! Sellin’ off OUR pulic lands to his Kockh brother benefactors is BULLSHIT! Buildin’ “creation museums” is BULLSHIT! Lying about creating jobs while enriching the top one percent is BULLLSHIT! And when all you HAVE to run on is BULLSHIT, people are gonna start figurin’ it out!

    This race ain’t over by a long shot! Pee Wee’s three talking point are gettin’ REAL old! Really, Pee Wee? That’s the best you got?! More jobs, less gummint! JEEBus, Dufus, now just WHERE THE HELL have we heard THAT before?

    You see, that is why Pee Wee is so reluctant to debate. I mean, would YOU want to take on a smart attractive young woman like Amanda Montana with only THREE bullshit, trite, inane, insane. useless Kockh inspired talking points?! Can you say get your ASS handed to you, boys and girls!

    Nope, it’s gettin’ REAL close now, and the Pubbies are gettin’ REAL worried! Can the Kockhs pull this one outta their ass with lots of money? I dunno. It’s gonna be close. But I’m puttin’ my money on Amanda Montana, or more appropriately, Amanda FOR Montana! We tried the Kochk Way, let’s try the Montana Way!

    http://missoulian.com/elections_2014/state/daines-hammers-more-jobs-message-yet-most-efforts-have-stalled/article_cf06d3f4-468a-11e4-bbb9-57adfd50df3b.html

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